Current Affairs The Far Right
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Cretins.
Looks like quite a few have been identified online already , quite a few UKIP members and even a couple of former candidates.
dholliday
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I'm a believer of @Number_25's culture war theory, all the elements are there.
The owner of the bookshop has wasted no time in getting an alarmist article published:
When the far right targets books, it should ring alarm bells for us all
Referencing predictably Nazi book burnings of the 1930's.
And in the red corner you've got the other side posting things like this:
See this for context:
Add all the other factors like Tommy Robinson, Alex Jones, Ocasio-Cortez, no-platforms and a myriad other people & issues, not least Trump, Brexit & immigration...two sides, battle-lines drawn, each convinced of their position, every new outrage moment makes each side dig their heels in deeper.
The bookshop owner is right to feel miffed at the cretins who harrassed his shop, it's just interesting that the way he's shown this is by partaking in this culture war.
I wonder how significant all this really is, maybe it's not all that, just the internet amplifying everything. Or maybe it's all building up into actual conflict.
Have we seen nothing yet?
The owner of the bookshop has wasted no time in getting an alarmist article published:
When the far right targets books, it should ring alarm bells for us all
Referencing predictably Nazi book burnings of the 1930's.
And in the red corner you've got the other side posting things like this:
See this for context:
Add all the other factors like Tommy Robinson, Alex Jones, Ocasio-Cortez, no-platforms and a myriad other people & issues, not least Trump, Brexit & immigration...two sides, battle-lines drawn, each convinced of their position, every new outrage moment makes each side dig their heels in deeper.
The bookshop owner is right to feel miffed at the cretins who harrassed his shop, it's just interesting that the way he's shown this is by partaking in this culture war.
I wonder how significant all this really is, maybe it's not all that, just the internet amplifying everything. Or maybe it's all building up into actual conflict.
Have we seen nothing yet?
orchard
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The guardian article was rather hyperbolic and gives them too much credibility. Why not mention they were clueless, fairly obviously directed, chanting for Trump, wearing mgbga stuff, and that three were members of ukip, one of its NEC? Didn't a woman go in there too?
Again, I think our priority is to find out who's ultimately mobilising these whoppers, and I'm fairly certain we'll find it's a USArian.
The BBC calling the attack on the bookshop a 'protest'. 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-45093339
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-45093339
tsubaki
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If not the actual USA.
orchard
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And possibly another country too, all out of order imo, and should be dealt with seriously.
You’ve got a gradual normalisation of the right and right wing attitudes that a few years ago would have been rightly shouted down and much of it is frankly stomach churning .
The right are being empowered by a shift in the political landscape and as I say a parade of people on mainstream media that would have been on infowars a few years ago . Tommy Robinson is feted as some kind of hero , I find it amazing that a man with his record and political history is openly supported by people who present themselves as followers of law and order and at least a number of assault the police at his protests . You have that despicable Bannon interviewed , and I use that term loosely , by Farage on national radio and on morning television before meeting up with Boris Johnson and I also think he’s met up previously with Rees-mogg.
Bannon spoke to the far right in France and told them if they’re called racists to wear that label with pride whilst I’m watching itv news now and hearing Boris’ comments again about the burka. This is ther are now UKIP members , including former candidates, attacking a bookshop and abusing the staff over the books they sell . I think it’d be difficult to argue UKIP haven’t moved to the right recently .
It’s a genuinely worrying time and given the thread that runs between so many of those above is nationalism . I don’t know if Brexit has been a contributing factor but it feels highly relevant. Given we’re talking about Rees-mogg, trump , Bannon , farage , UKIP , Tommy Robinson et al .
To make it clear before the Brexit supporting posters on here become outraged I’m not suggesting they’re far right , some I suspect may not even be right leaning but many far right supporters seem empowered by the Brexit debate or at least it seems to connect many of them . Again to clarify that doesn’t effect the result of the debate or the referendum but it surely a concern to all of us .
The right are being empowered by a shift in the political landscape and as I say a parade of people on mainstream media that would have been on infowars a few years ago . Tommy Robinson is feted as some kind of hero , I find it amazing that a man with his record and political history is openly supported by people who present themselves as followers of law and order and at least a number of assault the police at his protests . You have that despicable Bannon interviewed , and I use that term loosely , by Farage on national radio and on morning television before meeting up with Boris Johnson and I also think he’s met up previously with Rees-mogg.
Bannon spoke to the far right in France and told them if they’re called racists to wear that label with pride whilst I’m watching itv news now and hearing Boris’ comments again about the burka. This is ther are now UKIP members , including former candidates, attacking a bookshop and abusing the staff over the books they sell . I think it’d be difficult to argue UKIP haven’t moved to the right recently .
It’s a genuinely worrying time and given the thread that runs between so many of those above is nationalism . I don’t know if Brexit has been a contributing factor but it feels highly relevant. Given we’re talking about Rees-mogg, trump , Bannon , farage , UKIP , Tommy Robinson et al .
To make it clear before the Brexit supporting posters on here become outraged I’m not suggesting they’re far right , some I suspect may not even be right leaning but many far right supporters seem empowered by the Brexit debate or at least it seems to connect many of them . Again to clarify that doesn’t effect the result of the debate or the referendum but it surely a concern to all of us .
orchard
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The spin in our media, or rather, the way they try to enframe facts to suit their agenda is absolutely abhorrentThe BBC calling the attack on the bookshop a 'protest'.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-45093339
The spin in our media, or rather, the way they try to enframe facts to suit their agenda is absolutely abhorrent
I heard or read something the other day saying that it’s all well and good wanting to present both sides in a bid to be reasonable but if one side is flat wrong then the position is flawed.
I find that reporting above troubling to be honest with you but also I think it’s difficult for the likes of the bbc to walk the line . If you’re them What word do you use because attack would i’m Sure be criticised although protest just feels highly inappropriate.
I thought the attack, I’m happy using it , was both pathetic but also deeply worrying but I can have a modicum of sympathy to the wording . That doesn’t mean I think it shouldn’t be a significantly more critical article .
tsubaki
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You could understand it if this was a debate between Labour and the Tories, but this was about some MBGA clowns going into a bookshop and messing it up. Would anyone, even from UKIP, have complained if this had been described as an attack or allegation of criminal damage?
orchard
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Mobbed?
Possibly mate but then again Bernard will be mobbed by fans if we sign him and it won’t carry the same intimidatory feel as that crowd , well unless he’s gone to Chelsea .
You take my point though it’s not easy picking the right word , again I think the article is far to weak to convey what took place .
I suppose the irony of poorly educated young men being indoctrinated by those who seek to exploit them to do bad things in the name of their cause will be lost on them.
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