Current Affairs The Far Left

[LiamG]

Free market? So your ignoring the whole of the public sector then?

The vast majority of the public sector could be replaced by the private sector doing the same job.

It's debatable if it would be more cost effective but it could be replaced.

 

[LiamG]

This sentence is completely contradictory, being in the left means you do have an ideology

People who vote for the left aren't necessarily voting for idelogical reasons.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Degree in social studies. Why doesn't that surprise me.

Priests study the Bible for decades under respected tutors too. Doesn't stop it from being a load of garbage.

Yes mate. I now work for a charity dealing with some of the most vulnerable people in our society. Sometimes I do wonder though, if I’m just propping up your neoliberal dream. A safety net almost.

 

[neil999]

The vast majority of the public sector could be replaced by the private sector doing the same job.

It's debatable if it would be more cost effective but it could be replaced.

Why? How would they make a profit?

 

[JimmyJeffers]

I think things are changing.

Plus people vote for lots of reasons. I doubt too many people on the left vote out of political ideology and they're the people I am referring too.

I think you should apologise for calling the majority of the supporters of everton immature mate. It’s bang out of order. It really is. Also you quoted Margaret thatcher earlier which is also extremely naughty

 

[LiamG]

Why? How would they make a profit?

I think you are conflating inequality with this.

The reason why they can't make a profit is because of inequality and due to this people are unable to afford it to the degree it would be profitable.

Personally I think there's a strong argument to be made for a national basic wage given to everyone.

Then they would be.

 

[neil999]

I think you are conflating inequality with this.

The reason why they can't make a profit is because of inequality and due to this people are unable to afford it to the degree it would be profitable.

Personally I think there's a strong argument to be made for a national basic wage given to everyone.

Then they would be.

How are you going to privatise children's social services?

 

[LiamG]

How are you going to privatise children's social services?

I said the vast majority. Children are a special case because people aren't perfect but in saying that parents ideally should ultimately be responsible for their own kids.

 

[LiamG]

I think you should apologise for calling the majority of the supporters of everton immature mate. It’s bang out of order. It really is. Also you quoted Margaret thatcher earlier which is also extremely naughty

No. Everton is a working class club and the right has made many mistakes with their treatment towards the working class and poor so it's understandable.

 

[SteveSC]

The right aren't intolerant of minorities.

They believe people should be treated as individuals and are responsible for their own lives. "There's no such thing as society"

The left believe in groups and groups are responsible for people's lives.

So if we apply this to race and poverty. E.g. a black person.

Someone on the right thinks a black person is responsible for themselves and can't expect other people to help them, if they do then that's charity. They believe this is the best way for that person to improve their own standing because ultimately if forced people have more to gain and lose by their actions. Some may even call it a version of tough love. It's a masculine view.

The left don't see the individual but the group and the problems of an individual in the group is therefore because of the problems between other groups. The groups who are generally more well off are that way because historically they oppressed other groups. So therefore it's the responsibility of the group as a whole to draw attention to this and for the oppressor group to fix their behavior. This is why a rejection of this is seen as racist because it's implying that you don't want the status quo to change. Collectivism and seeing things through the prisms of groups is more a feminine way of viewing

Men tend to settle their problems directly, individual against individual.

Women or weaker men who aren't physically as strong tend to collect allies first.

The far left has been collecting lots of allies. Lol

Oh look another post bashing the left and claiming the right are the advocates for the common man especially minorities. Jesus your one clueless lad.

Church is a group, the kkk are a group, the NRA is a group. All spout agendas and all have issues with parts of society. They tell you as much every time.

Sure blaming the left for things is blaming society and a group. I think you need to look up what both words mean.

Also you realise you are taking something Margaret Thatcher said (the highlighted) and claiming it to be your own thoughts, It's near verbatim.

"They are casting their problems at society. And, you know, there's no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look after themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then, also, to look after our neighbours."

I think it was an interview back in the 80's with a magazine. I recognised it the minute you said the highlighted from a passge in a book i was reading a while back quoting her.

In fact her phrase and belief struck a cord with several conservative Brits afterwards who wrote on her idea and elaborated their view.

I do not recall any american conservative with a similar belief or approach to it

And interestingly if you google the "there is no such thing as society she and British writers are the only one to have said that. So what conservatives other than Thatcher believes this? Do you have proof or can you cite references from American conservatives that that is their ideology or is it your own opinion.

 

[neil999]

I said the vast majority. Children are a special case because people aren't perfect but in saying that parents ideally should ultimately be responsible for their own kids.

Yes, there are alot of other services directly related to children that can't work within the private sector

Its quite complicated

 

[SteveSC]

No. Everton is a working class club and the right has made many mistakes with their treatment towards the working class and poor so it's understandable.

Working class club haha!! You realise the alternatives to club are organisation and association right? The definition for association is a group of people who share a common interest.

Way to play with words haha!!

 

[JimmyJeffers]

No. Everton is a working class club and the right has made many mistakes with their treatment towards the working class and poor so it's understandable.

That doesn’t sound like an apology. I’ll help. Cut and paste this sentence.

‘ I LiamG would like to formally apologise to the majority of Everton fans for saying they are immature. I would also like to apologise to my mother for masterbating in her shampoo when she left the house earlier to buy me pizza’

 

[LiamG]

Oh look another post bashing the left and claiming the right are the advocates for the common man especially minorities. Jesus your one clueless lad.

Church is a group, the kkk are a group, the NRA is a group. All spout agendas and all have issues with parts of society. They tell you as much every time.

Sure blaming the left for things is blaming society and a group. I think you need to look up what both words mean.

Also you realise you are taking something Margaret Thatcher said (the highlighted) and claiming it to be your own thoughts, It's near verbatim.

"They are casting their problems at society. And, you know, there's no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look after themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then, also, to look after our neighbours."

I think it was an interview back in the 80's with a magazine. I recognised it the minute you said the highlighted from a passge in a book i was reading a while back quoting her.

In fact her phrase and belief struck a cord with several conservative Brits afterwards who wrote on her idea and elaborated their view.

I do not recall any american conservative with a similar belief or approach to it

And interestingly if you google the "there is no such thing as society she and British writers are the only one to have said that. So what conservatives other than Thatcher believes this? Do you have proof or can you cite references from American conservatives that that is their ideology or is it your own opinion.

Of course I knew where the quote came from. It's a very concise expression of the idea.

It doesn't mean I agree with everything Thatcher did.

I do agree it was a bit naughty.

 

[Moomin]

Of course I knew where the quote came from. It's a very concise expression of the idea.

It doesn't mean I agree with everything Thatcher did.

I do agree it was a bit naughty.

Are you still pretending to live in the states? or have you fessed up?