Charles Martel
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So masked Antifa thugs trying to shut down any debate that's even slightly right of Corbyn isn't a danger to our free society?
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So masked Antifa thugs trying to shut down any debate that's even slightly right of Corbyn isn't a danger to our free society?
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Perhaps you could be slightly less of a muggy little c*** and explain your point better
Fairly sure this is where you go “mao” and think you’ve won the internet.
Out of interest why do you keep creating new accounts on a forum where everyone thinks you’re a collosal speng ?
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Either way. Your user name reference, and general contribution to what is essentially a football forum, is unwelcome.
See Ya.
Corbyn and Labour aren't far left. That's just the result of a very successful smear campaign and hyperbole.
Read Labour policies, they're not that radical
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They aren’t far left, they are left.
It’s not an evertonian thing, it’s a scouse thing... the tories did huge damage to the city during the 1980s and are thus rightfully loathed for it.
Cmon now. He really is. You have to keep in mind that even the most delusional Corbynista has to try and keep a semblance of grounding and try and present policies that are at least a little bit achievable. You have to start from where you are rather than where you want to be, or something.
So Corbyn's manifesto has to be placed in the context of the single biggest disruption to British politics (Brexit) in a generation, and the huge amount of resources that will consume in this parliament, and even then he wanted to nationalise several industries and do goodness knows what else. If you don't believe he wants to build a socialist utopia eventually then I don't know what to say.
I dont see what you see. You seem to be under the impression that if Corbyn was PM, the country will fall apart. It's falling apart now, austerity has failed. We have to try something different
Someone said 'Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it'. Every Labour government since the war (with the exception of the Attlee government) has screwed the economy - fact. I know, I lived through them all. If Corbyn ever gets in he will screw it like its never been screwed before.
And every Tory government has been self serving, and detrimental to the masses.
So what do we do?
The Tories are utterly rubbish, but the country isn't falling apart now in any way, shape or form. The UK is still one of the best places to be born on the planet (9th according to the WEF - https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/07/these-countries-have-the-highest-quality-of-life).
I also don't think the country would fall apart if Corbyn got into office. Thankfully the things that largely make the UK a good place to live have incredibly long roots that would take a whole lot of messing up from politicians to destroy.
I do however think his manifesto was absurdly ambitious given what the government (had he got in) would have had to do to ensure Brexit didn't mess the country up too much. It was also (imo) both the wrong policies to pursue, and also the start of what he would like to have done. It's not like he and McDonnell are shy about their beliefs.
I meant falling apart in the metaphorical sense. Institutions that I have grown up with, and consider a cornerstone of what it means to British are either on the brink of collapse, being torn up or simply failing. Things are a lot more desperate than people realise, and the windrush scandal is just the tip of the ice berg. The problem is, history seems to point to the Tories privitising that which doesn't work. Usually thorough government incompetence too.
Privatisation hasn't worked. It certainly could do, but it hasn't. There seems to be an complacency around it that thinks as long as money is being made everything is rosy. Granted nationalisation has failed, but it could work given the right management and will.
I agree that Corbyn and McDonnell are certainly lefties. That's why it's important that those close to the centre of the party work with them, to help the balance. If Corbyn is as inclusive and socialist as everyone says, he'd welcome the chance to work with them. For me, that's the so called 'Blairites' biggest failing. They should be working with him, not trying everything to make him fall.
In the end, if Labour do get into power, that will be their downfall in my opinion. Corbyn will be fighting his own party, and the opposition. I wonder just how much he could get done in such circumstances.
I suppose that's my biggest bone of contention with the whole lot of them. They seem to take themselves all far too seriously. As I get older and a bit more clued up on how Westminster/Whitehall works, the more I think that ideology matters a whole lot less than competence, and that's probably not good as most politicians (of whatever stripe) have spent their entire careers in politics, either in think tanks, campaign groups or their respective parties. It's a world wrapped up in ideology. Thinking rather than doing.
If I wanted someone to run a campaign for me, Corbyn would be near the top of the list. He's spent his entire career campaigning and is pretty good at it. Is he any good at running a government? Even his hardiest supporters must admit that we have absolutely no idea.
I think in the back of most people's minds, there is that doubt, or even fear, of the unknown.
The shame is, there are some very talented MP's who I look at and think 'they could do a job', if ever Labour get into government. It's just that the majority won't work for him. But if they just spoke to us mere mortals, they'd see the appetite for change. I mean, that's what Brexit was, right?
For me, it seems a lot of Corbyn supporters hold onto to him in the hope that something will change. We're all crying out for it, but nobody seems to have given it a voice.
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