The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

Is it time for Change...???

  • Kenwright an the Board out, We need Change.

    Votes: 503 80.0%
  • Im Happy with the way thing are. Kenwright an the Board should stay

    Votes: 126 20.0%

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http://www.teamtalk.com/everton/7441698/Moyes-Everton-have-the-chance-to-be-mint
TEAMtalk guest Michael Graham believes Everton need to stop feeling sorry for themselves and appreciate what they have got going for them.

Modern football doctrine seems to insist that we are all supposed to be terribly impressed with Everton and, in particular, David Moyes.
In fairness, the Toffees are a fine football club with tremendous traditions, and have been a worthy staple of the Premier League since its inception all those years ago. I'm more than happy to concede that.
What I do question, however, is why every single thing that Everton do seems to be accompanied by a plethora of concessionary caveats that are seemingly exclusive to them. Apparently, where Everton are concerned, the lack of a mega-rich benefactor makes any achievement a remarkable one.
The false assumption upon which this fallacy is based is that the lack of a generous investor somehow disadvantages Everton and renders them completely lacking in resources.
That is, of course, total nonsense. When you are talking about Everton, you are talking about a football club with a solid and largely consistent supporter base, a thriving and productive academy, and an annual turnover of £82m. Lacking in resources? Hardly.
There is one reason and one reason alone why Everton are unable to spend in the transfer market - they choose to spend the money elsewhere.
Their annual £58m wage bill may, at first glance, seem reasonable enough. Certainly, at 67% of turnover it falls just below average across the Premier League.
However, when considered that the figure is spread across a wafer-thin squad (they named a league-low 18 senior players in their squad back in September), a picture of a club who are perhaps a little to desperate to cling onto their established players starts to emerge.
Players such as Leighton Baines, Phil Jagielka, Marouane Fellaini, and especially academy duo Jack Rodwell and Ross Barkley will certainly not be short of high-profile admirers should they decide to look elsewhere, so if Everton are serious about keeping them they obviously have to pay the going rate. But would selling them really be a disaster?
"We don't dare sell Baines, Jagielka, Fellaini and Tim Howard", the club told fan-group The Blue Union in August. You get the feeling that at Goodison Park they equate being a selling club with being a weak club, or a small club.
For a number of years now, what Everton have effectively done is lock themselves into a holding pattern of keeping the club, top players and all, self-sustainable whilst they wait for a fresh investor to come along and bankroll their ambition.
In a statement released with the latest set of club accounts, chairman Bill Kenwright laid his cards very much on the table by asserting "hopefully the day will come soon when I will happily hand over control of our beloved club to a substantially wealthy individual or well-funded investment group".
But even if such an individual can be found he would be no more able to effect long-term change than Kenwright himself is.
The onset of Financial Fair Play means clubs are essentially restricted to only spending the money they generate, which is precisely the situation Everton are in now.
Beyond a relatively small and one-off injection of cash, there is little a wealthy investor can now influence. That ship has sailed. What is needed is a change of policy.
A little up the league table trying to hang on to the coat tails of the top clubs - the spot that Everton themselves have grown accustomed to occupying - Newcastle United are leading the way and showing the chasing pack how to bridge the gap in the Financial Fair Play era.
They too pride themselves on being a big and ambitious club but they have realised the future lies, short-term at least, in being star-makers rather than star-takers, and the club is flourishing as a result.
Established names such as Joey Barton and Kevin Nolan have been rather ruthlessly shipped out to make room for an exciting new group of cleverly scouted young players who are hungry to build a legacy in the game. Yohan Cabaye, Demba Ba, Davide Santon, Chieke Tiote, Hatem Ben Arfa, and now Papiss Demba Cisse have all been assembled for less than the price of Andy Carroll. Don't tell anyone at St James' Park that a selling club is a weak club.
Everton are blessed with almost everything that Newcastle have. A fine global reputation, a solid and dependable fanbase, and a thriving academy. What they are lacking, however, is the vision.
If they dared, just for a moment, to stop dreamily staring at the horizon hoping for a gallant white knight with a cheque-book who is almost certain never going to arrive and have a good look around them, they would surely realise that they are perfectly capable of helping themselves - if they wanted to.
It really is time that Everton as a whole club, Moyes included, started to wake up, stop feeling sorry for themselves, and appreciate what they have going for them, because the 'poor us' line is starting to wear very thin indeed."

Bit of a dodgy article but I agree that Moyes isnt doing his job in the buy & sell market.
 
Tosh. Utter tosh.

Carroll was a freak occurrence though. Nobody in their right mind would pay us £35m for Rodwell or Barkley or even Fellaini, even though two out of those are established Premier League players, unlike Carroll.

Moyes is doing what he can, getting bargains like Vellios and Gibson and Seamus without decimating the core of our squad.

The guy who wrote this is a Sunderland fan. He might be happy to do business like that, living half season on half season but I'd rather grow a club from the ground up with Rodwells and Barkleys than cash in for a load of Wes Browns and Asamoah Gyans.
 
http://www.teamtalk.com/everton/7441698/Moyes-Everton-have-the-chance-to-be-mint
TEAMtalk guest Michael Graham believes Everton need to stop feeling sorry for themselves and appreciate what they have got going for them.

Modern football doctrine seems to insist that we are all supposed to be terribly impressed with Everton and, in particular, David Moyes.
In fairness, the Toffees are a fine football club with tremendous traditions, and have been a worthy staple of the Premier League since its inception all those years ago. I'm more than happy to concede that.
What I do question, however, is why every single thing that Everton do seems to be accompanied by a plethora of concessionary caveats that are seemingly exclusive to them. Apparently, where Everton are concerned, the lack of a mega-rich benefactor makes any achievement a remarkable one.
The false assumption upon which this fallacy is based is that the lack of a generous investor somehow disadvantages Everton and renders them completely lacking in resources.
That is, of course, total nonsense. When you are talking about Everton, you are talking about a football club with a solid and largely consistent supporter base, a thriving and productive academy, and an annual turnover of £82m. Lacking in resources? Hardly.
There is one reason and one reason alone why Everton are unable to spend in the transfer market - they choose to spend the money elsewhere.
Their annual £58m wage bill may, at first glance, seem reasonable enough. Certainly, at 67% of turnover it falls just below average across the Premier League.
However, when considered that the figure is spread across a wafer-thin squad (they named a league-low 18 senior players in their squad back in September), a picture of a club who are perhaps a little to desperate to cling onto their established players starts to emerge.
Players such as Leighton Baines, Phil Jagielka, Marouane Fellaini, and especially academy duo Jack Rodwell and Ross Barkley will certainly not be short of high-profile admirers should they decide to look elsewhere, so if Everton are serious about keeping them they obviously have to pay the going rate. But would selling them really be a disaster?
"We don't dare sell Baines, Jagielka, Fellaini and Tim Howard", the club told fan-group The Blue Union in August. You get the feeling that at Goodison Park they equate being a selling club with being a weak club, or a small club.
For a number of years now, what Everton have effectively done is lock themselves into a holding pattern of keeping the club, top players and all, self-sustainable whilst they wait for a fresh investor to come along and bankroll their ambition.
In a statement released with the latest set of club accounts, chairman Bill Kenwright laid his cards very much on the table by asserting "hopefully the day will come soon when I will happily hand over control of our beloved club to a substantially wealthy individual or well-funded investment group".
But even if such an individual can be found he would be no more able to effect long-term change than Kenwright himself is.
The onset of Financial Fair Play means clubs are essentially restricted to only spending the money they generate, which is precisely the situation Everton are in now.
Beyond a relatively small and one-off injection of cash, there is little a wealthy investor can now influence. That ship has sailed. What is needed is a change of policy.
A little up the league table trying to hang on to the coat tails of the top clubs - the spot that Everton themselves have grown accustomed to occupying - Newcastle United are leading the way and showing the chasing pack how to bridge the gap in the Financial Fair Play era.
They too pride themselves on being a big and ambitious club but they have realised the future lies, short-term at least, in being star-makers rather than star-takers, and the club is flourishing as a result.
Established names such as Joey Barton and Kevin Nolan have been rather ruthlessly shipped out to make room for an exciting new group of cleverly scouted young players who are hungry to build a legacy in the game. Yohan Cabaye, Demba Ba, Davide Santon, Chieke Tiote, Hatem Ben Arfa, and now Papiss Demba Cisse have all been assembled for less than the price of Andy Carroll. Don't tell anyone at St James' Park that a selling club is a weak club.
Everton are blessed with almost everything that Newcastle have. A fine global reputation, a solid and dependable fanbase, and a thriving academy. What they are lacking, however, is the vision.
If they dared, just for a moment, to stop dreamily staring at the horizon hoping for a gallant white knight with a cheque-book who is almost certain never going to arrive and have a good look around them, they would surely realise that they are perfectly capable of helping themselves - if they wanted to.
It really is time that Everton as a whole club, Moyes included, started to wake up, stop feeling sorry for themselves, and appreciate what they have going for them, because the 'poor us' line is starting to wear very thin indeed."

Bit of a dodgy article but I agree that Moyes isnt doing his job in the buy & sell market.

He obviously has more access to the clubs books than we do then or not .... either way he's talkin some sense and some ****e, yes toon have scouted some good players but i think you will find ashley has money anyway and regardless of selling andy carroll could of still splashed 10mil on a player we cannot do that. We do tend to feel sorry for ourselves though and DM is outwardly showing it this season. I do think the players we have got are not playing to the standard they should be that is not Bills fault at all. Anyway Bill is sinking this ship quicker than the Costa Concordia and needs to F-Off and take his rich tight cronies with him.
 
That article makes some good points but bases them on a ridiculous premise; if we sold our best players we could compete financially with the Geordie's.

1. We have already been selling our best players and still are not seeing that moeny reinvested, merely it is being used to pay off fecking interest charges!

2. We are and have been for a while doing exactly what he said we should be; taking gambles on unknowns and trying to shine rough diamonds.

The toon scouts aren't geniuses, as most people had heard of Ba, Cabaye, Arfa, Tiote and Cisse etc and Newcastle had the financial muscle to outbid other clubs e.g. us over Ba!

The very fact that this guys is contemplating selling Baines to balance the books or buy in untested talent is proof he never watches us play.
 
Are you on meths!!!!!

Stop it, stop it now.

This forum isn't a **** off kenwright forum, I think that's called Toffeeweb or Peoples Forum.

I recognise you as a regular poster so you'll know that debates / forum takes a broad church approach, so the implication that only kenwrongers are welcome to the forum is just plain wrong.

Also, I'm not Lordieblue, so all I'm dong is what everyone else is doing, giving a view. Not a threat to legal action.

The fact that its not being ignored or treated as such is very worrying.

Are you kenwrongers really so frightened to hear an alternative view?

Or is it simply a slow news day?

When somebody, well respected within the forum and somebody who has no axe to grind with Kenwrong posts something, most reasonable people tend to believe it.

Mick is as neutral as Switzerland when it comes to the whole Kenwrong thing.

But whatever man, Sharps is right what he says about you and I guess you will never lose that MASSIVE chip on your shoulder, shame.

And im laughing my arse off at the threat of legal action.

Peeing me pants.
 
When somebody, well respected within the forum and somebody who has no axe to grind with Kenwrong posts something, most reasonable people tend to believe it.

Mick is as neutral as Switzerland when it comes to the whole Kenwrong thing.

But whatever man, Sharps is right what he says about you and I guess you will never lose that MASSIVE chip on your shoulder, shame.

And im laughing my arse off at the threat of legal action.

Peeing me pants.

Beware mate, Black Toffee knows his shizzle. He's taking this place down.
 
That article makes some good points but bases them on a ridiculous premise; if we sold our best players we could compete financially with the Geordie's.

1. We have already been selling our best players and still are not seeing that moeny reinvested, merely it is being used to pay off fecking interest charges!

2. We are and have been for a while doing exactly what he said we should be; taking gambles on unknowns and trying to shine rough diamonds.

The toon scouts aren't geniuses, as most people had heard of Ba, Cabaye, Arfa, Tiote and Cisse etc and Newcastle had the financial muscle to outbid other clubs e.g. us over Ba!

The very fact that this guys is contemplating selling Baines to balance the books or buy in untested talent is proof he never watches us play.

Exactly. Just what HAVE Newcastle done? Stayed up after a humiliating relegation and promotion. Now they're hanging around the European places. To them thats stratospheric, unbelievable, worthy of a ****ing bus tour. Three years ago to us that was run of the mill.

The reason we have paid money to keep the likes of Felli, Baines and Jags is because they're the créme. They're not just some two bob players like Ben Arfa who have a few blinders a season. What is it with these legions of half arsed bloggers who watch us 3 or 4 times a season and think we're overachieving with a load of journeymen? Moyes has built a proper squad and a proper club, ok some cracks are appearing with the lack of investment but he's done what he can to keep the core.

What have Newcastle or Sunderland done over the past 5 years to have the right to be what we aspire to? For all their "expert scouting" (yeah, getting a free striker from a relegated PL club ) they've still struggled to even break midtable. 4 seasons ago Sunderland spaffed £40m and finished on 39 points whilst we were 5th. It's a classic case of getting big headed after a few good months.
 
http://www.teamtalk.com/everton/7441698/Moyes-Everton-have-the-chance-to-be-mint
TEAMtalk guest Michael Graham believes Everton need to stop feeling sorry for themselves and appreciate what they have got going for them.

Modern football doctrine seems to insist that we are all supposed to be terribly impressed with Everton and, in particular, David Moyes.
In fairness, the Toffees are a fine football club with tremendous traditions, and have been a worthy staple of the Premier League since its inception all those years ago. I'm more than happy to concede that.
What I do question, however, is why every single thing that Everton do seems to be accompanied by a plethora of concessionary caveats that are seemingly exclusive to them. Apparently, where Everton are concerned, the lack of a mega-rich benefactor makes any achievement a remarkable one.
The false assumption upon which this fallacy is based is that the lack of a generous investor somehow disadvantages Everton and renders them completely lacking in resources.
That is, of course, total nonsense. When you are talking about Everton, you are talking about a football club with a solid and largely consistent supporter base, a thriving and productive academy, and an annual turnover of £82m. Lacking in resources? Hardly.
There is one reason and one reason alone why Everton are unable to spend in the transfer market - they choose to spend the money elsewhere.
Their annual £58m wage bill may, at first glance, seem reasonable enough. Certainly, at 67% of turnover it falls just below average across the Premier League.
However, when considered that the figure is spread across a wafer-thin squad (they named a league-low 18 senior players in their squad back in September), a picture of a club who are perhaps a little to desperate to cling onto their established players starts to emerge.
Players such as Leighton Baines, Phil Jagielka, Marouane Fellaini, and especially academy duo Jack Rodwell and Ross Barkley will certainly not be short of high-profile admirers should they decide to look elsewhere, so if Everton are serious about keeping them they obviously have to pay the going rate. But would selling them really be a disaster?
"We don't dare sell Baines, Jagielka, Fellaini and Tim Howard", the club told fan-group The Blue Union in August. You get the feeling that at Goodison Park they equate being a selling club with being a weak club, or a small club.
For a number of years now, what Everton have effectively done is lock themselves into a holding pattern of keeping the club, top players and all, self-sustainable whilst they wait for a fresh investor to come along and bankroll their ambition.
In a statement released with the latest set of club accounts, chairman Bill Kenwright laid his cards very much on the table by asserting "hopefully the day will come soon when I will happily hand over control of our beloved club to a substantially wealthy individual or well-funded investment group".
But even if such an individual can be found he would be no more able to effect long-term change than Kenwright himself is.
The onset of Financial Fair Play means clubs are essentially restricted to only spending the money they generate, which is precisely the situation Everton are in now.
Beyond a relatively small and one-off injection of cash, there is little a wealthy investor can now influence. That ship has sailed. What is needed is a change of policy.
A little up the league table trying to hang on to the coat tails of the top clubs - the spot that Everton themselves have grown accustomed to occupying - Newcastle United are leading the way and showing the chasing pack how to bridge the gap in the Financial Fair Play era.
They too pride themselves on being a big and ambitious club but they have realised the future lies, short-term at least, in being star-makers rather than star-takers, and the club is flourishing as a result.
Established names such as Joey Barton and Kevin Nolan have been rather ruthlessly shipped out to make room for an exciting new group of cleverly scouted young players who are hungry to build a legacy in the game. Yohan Cabaye, Demba Ba, Davide Santon, Chieke Tiote, Hatem Ben Arfa, and now Papiss Demba Cisse have all been assembled for less than the price of Andy Carroll. Don't tell anyone at St James' Park that a selling club is a weak club.
Everton are blessed with almost everything that Newcastle have. A fine global reputation, a solid and dependable fanbase, and a thriving academy. What they are lacking, however, is the vision.
If they dared, just for a moment, to stop dreamily staring at the horizon hoping for a gallant white knight with a cheque-book who is almost certain never going to arrive and have a good look around them, they would surely realise that they are perfectly capable of helping themselves - if they wanted to.
It really is time that Everton as a whole club, Moyes included, started to wake up, stop feeling sorry for themselves, and appreciate what they have going for them, because the 'poor us' line is starting to wear very thin indeed."

Bit of a dodgy article but I agree that Moyes isnt doing his job in the buy & sell market.

My biggest problem with this article is the presumption that UEFA fair play regs mean a benefactor would be of no use. Our biggest problem is Goodison Park and our inability to generate extra revenue (either through corporate hospitality, conferencing and banqueting, special events or matchday income), infrastructure projects are exempt from UEFA fair play rules and so an investor could remedy this issue and give us a better footing to increase income streams and, in time, improve our on field prospects long term.
 
He was just telling a story to get some discussion going ffs.

Who cares if it's not definitely true? No one's petrol bombing Kenwright's house over it.
 
The onset of Financial Fair Play means clubs are essentially restricted to only spending the money they generate, which is precisely the situation Everton are in now. Beyond a relatively small and one-off injection of cash, there is little a wealthy investor can now influence. That ship has sailed. What is needed is a change of policy.

I'm not sure I agree with that. I think there is still a lot a wealthy investor can influence (such as building a new stadium to increase revenue to increase how much "fair play" room you have to spend on players).

On another note, did they ever rule about Man City's insane sponsorship deal to themselves?
 
When somebody, well respected within the forum and somebody who has no axe to grind with Kenwrong posts something, most reasonable people tend to believe it.

Mick is as neutral as Switzerland when it comes to the whole Kenwrong thing.

But whatever man, Sharps is right what he says about you and I guess you will never lose that MASSIVE chip on your shoulder, shame.

And im laughing my arse off at the threat of legal action.

Peeing me pants.

To quote the witch called Thatcher are you fret?

Keep peeing in your pants, though I'd suggest you try kegal exercises to help you stop. I've never said Mick was a liar, nor have I questioned his integrity, though I can't say the same for his source. Nor have I threatened legal action. But given your warped kenwronging I can see how perfectly you can turn a statement to mean something completely different from what was intended.

But keep up the work. You guys impress me every time I look into this forum.
 
To quote the witch called Thatcher are you fret?

Keep peeing in your pants, though I'd suggest you try kegal exercises to help you stop. I've never said Mick was a liar, nor have I questioned his integrity, though I can't say the same for his source. Nor have I threatened legal action. But given your warped kenwronging I can see how perfectly you can turn a statement to mean something completely different from what was intended.

But keep up the work. You guys impress me every time I look into this forum.

Keep going BT.

I defend your right to express your love for another man, Bill Kenwright, on an open forum. Don't let them put you in the corner again.
 
micknick is a tit but...

I've heard similar things to that.


For me the final straw is his (Kenwright) saying publicly the manager will have funds to replace then going back on that. Coupled to making local newspapers WITHDRAW those stories.

I'm furious with Bill Kenwright et al. for not supporting the manager with replacement players.

They cannot and should not continue in the roles. That for me is one misleading statement too far.

Its all about THEIR issues not the club's.


See you in the Lisbon, Mick x
 
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