The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[Neiler]

Neiler, i dont get you. What do you want for this club? You are so pro-kenwright it scares me.

Are you fooking blind mate.

Please, wake up lad......

I dont think so mate, i beleive i just give thema fair crack of the week, i think everyone is so anti Kenwright my points seem pro to most.

I want change but its not black and white for me, the context of that change is important in the long term. For me the majority just want any old change - i dont.

 

[Neiler]

That's a relief, I thought that massive rise might be caused by something like a bad business decision. But if it's to do with selling our original facilities then leasing new ones at a huge multiple of what they cost to build, then no problem.

The rent wasnt the big mark up mate apparently, but by all means post for posting sake.

 

[Neiler]

I dont think they believe that either, to be fair. They know that only when the club is in dire straits will the majority accept what they're saying. Does that mean they shouldn't speak out npw and offer analysis of where we're going wrong and how, at that stage, we must change?

What's their crime by the way? That they dont have £300M, or that they dont have a stadium tucked up their sleeve? Typical response from the kill the messenger brigade.

They arent offering anything new though really are they, i mean a lot of the info is in the public domain anyway, there isnt really anything new that every poster on here isnt aware of yesterday, which is why i dont see any traction in this movement. To be honest you get more analyses on message boards etc. Im not sure they are sure what there own terms of reference are except ranting, or presenting themselves as super fans. Every Evertonian worth there salt are well versed in what is going on at the club - so the awarenesss thing is a damp squib for me. Comparrisons with Spurs can be taken about in seconds on pros and cons - so its not really a high level of analysis. Fair play to them though for doing something.

Im massively suspicious of the BU purely because of the heavy Keioc involvement and annexe of the BU, Si;las and other sensible lids have been pushed out of being involved. Really its a reincarnation of Keioc under a different name - to bring about maybe more relevance and a sense of identity post Kirkby to that dying brand - for me they are not a group to be backed, trusted or listened to.

 

[zed]

Im massively suspicious of the BU purely because of the heavy Keioc involvement

run it by us mate - what is so wrong with KEIOC, have i missed something significant like total proof KEIOC were going to be the death of EFC etc

 

[Silas]

They arent offering anything new though really are they, i mean a lot of the info is in the public domain anyway, there isnt really anything new that every poster on here isnt aware of yesterday, which is why i dont see any traction in this movement. To be honest you get more analyses on message boards etc. Im not sure they are sure what there own terms of reference are except ranting, or presenting themselves as super fans. Every Evertonian worth there salt are well versed in what is going on at the club - so the awarenesss thing is a damp squib for me. Comparrisons with Spurs can be taken about in seconds on pros and cons - so its not really a high level of analysis. Fair play to them though for doing something.

Im massively suspicious of the BU purely because of the heavy Keioc involvement and annexe of the BU, Si;las and other sensible lids have been pushed out of being involved. Really its a reincarnation of Keioc under a different name - to bring about maybe more relevance and a sense of identity post Kirkby to that dying brand - for me they are not a group to be backed, trusted or listened to.

Tbh I think you are overestimating how knowledgeable Evertonians are in regards to the workings of the club. Of course many don't want or need to be (they just want to be fans) and that's fair enough but I think raising awareness is still worthwhile and as long as it is accurate, I have no issue with it.

Just to be clear mate. I wasn't pushed out by the BU, I had enough of the abuse I was receiving (not just from people who are pro-Kenwright) and stepped out. I can't pretend I have agreed with all their subsequent actions, and I wasn't sure on Kendall's appearance but I don't disagree with the presentation yesterday although like anything, there is an element of spin towards negativity.

As for the BU being a new incarnation of KEIOC, I don't think it is but I don't think they are taking the lead. It is up to fans to decide whether that is good or bad.

Thanks for thinking I am sensible though!

 

[Neiler]

Tbh I think you are overestimating how knowledgeable Evertonians are in regards to the workings of the club. Of course many don't want or need to be (they just want to be fans) and that's fair enough but I think raising awareness is still worthwhile and as long as it is accurate, I have no issue with it.

Just to be clear mate. I wasn't pushed out by the BU, I had enough of the abuse I was receiving (not just from people who are pro-Kenwright) and stepped out. I can't pretend I have agreed with all their subsequent actions, and I wasn't sure on Kendall's appearance but I don't disagree with the presentation yesterday although like anything, there is an element of spin towards negativity.

As for the BU being a new incarnation of KEIOC, I don't think it is but I don't think they are taking the lead. It is up to fans to decide whether that is good or bad.

Thanks for thinking I am sensible though!

Top man mate - its a pity your not involved more with the BU - i would be more sympathetic to the cause if so or perhaps take it with a bit more seriousness.

Maybe i am presuming Evertonians are more knowledgeable then they actually are, i suppose i would like to think so, anyone who is prepared to give up time to be part of the BU, should really be armed with a decent sense of what is going on and forming their own opinions rather than be influenced by a group think IMO.

To be honest, all of this will hit a glass ceiling and will only ever boil down to mud slinging IMHO. I think we have different views on the subversive intent and the self serving lengths at any cost KEIOC are prepared to go to, to meet what i beleive becomes increaseingly a self serving agenda.

I would however encourage you mate, and people of your calibre to stay involved, if nothing else to provide a sense of balance and realism to the analysis and truthfullness of the awarenss. As you say facts can be spun pro and against - the balance and truth is whats important in raiseing awarenss.

 

[Silas]

Top man mate - its a pity your not involved more with the BU - i would be more sympathetic to the cause if so or perhaps take it with a bit more seriousness.

Maybe i am presuming Evertonians are more knowledgeable then they actually are, i suppose i would like to think so, anyone who is prepared to give up time to be part of the BU, should really be armed with the a decent sense of what is going on and forming their own opinions rather then be influence by a group think IMO.

To be honest, all of this will hit a glass ceiling and will only ever boil down to mud silinging IMHO. I think we have different views on the subversive intent and the self seving lengths at any cost KEIOC are prepared to go to, to meet what i beleive becomes increaseingly a self serving agenda.

I would however encourage you mate, and people of your calibre to stay involved, if nothing else to provide a sense of balance and realism to the analysis and truthfullness of the awarenss. As you say facts can e spun pro and against - the balance and truth is whats important in raiseing awarenss.

Indeed, I also believe that the BU will struggle to ever interact with the club now, However, they could have a role to play in ensuring that fans in general question the club and this could lead to progress. I still have contact with the lads in E4Change and put in my two penneth were I wish too but it's very much their show now and I have no wish to get further involved again.

 

[Neiler]

Any of this sound familiar, the lunatics are really begining to run the asylum:

Angry Arsenal fans plan to flag up their anger at under-fire manager *Arsene Wenger when the Gunners play Sunderland at the Emirates next *Sunday.

A new protest group, ArsenalFCnotPLC, will protest during the *Premier League clash with Steve Bruce’s side and will use banners to make their cause more visible.

Wenger’s hapless outfit have suffered their worst start to a top flight season in 58 years. They were also *humiliated 8-2 at Manchester United and then lost last week’s north *London derby to Tottenham, provoking talk of a power shift in the capital.


Unhappy Gooner season ticket holder Chris Adsett reckons the time is right for Wenger to bow out. He said: “Put simply it is not good enough for Arsenal

We are on a downward spiral and this needs to be addressed.

“Arsenal fans love and admire Wenger for what he has done, but that was then, this is now. We need a new face and new* *impetus, and soon.”

Former Arsenal hero Giovanni van Bronckhorst has warned the fans against driving Wenger out.

He said: “Wenger is an institution. Look what he’s achieved.

“Arsenal football club IS Arsene Wenger.

“Everything would tumble over if he would leave now. His philosophy is an example to millions.

“For 15 years it was very simple for players. If *Arsenal came knocking on the door, you’d rush to sign for them. But that’s not the case any more.”

 

[BlackToffee]

Any of this sound familiar, the lunatics are really begining to run the asylum:

Angry Arsenal fans plan to flag up their anger at under-fire manager *Arsene Wenger when the Gunners play Sunderland at the Emirates next *Sunday.

A new protest group, ArsenalFCnotPLC, will protest during the *Premier League clash with Steve Bruce’s side and will use banners to make their cause more visible.

Wenger’s hapless outfit have suffered their worst start to a top flight season in 58 years. They were also *humiliated 8-2 at Manchester United and then lost last week’s north *London derby to Tottenham, provoking talk of a power shift in the capital.


Unhappy Gooner season ticket holder Chris Adsett reckons the time is right for Wenger to bow out. He said: “Put simply it is not good enough for Arsenal

We are on a downward spiral and this needs to be addressed.

“Arsenal fans love and admire Wenger for what he has done, but that was then, this is now. We need a new face and new* *impetus, and soon.”

Former Arsenal hero Giovanni van Bronckhorst has warned the fans against driving Wenger out.

He said: “Wenger is an institution. Look what he’s achieved.

“Arsenal football club IS Arsene Wenger.

“Everything would tumble over if he would leave now. His philosophy is an example to millions.

“For 15 years it was very simple for players. If *Arsenal came knocking on the door, you’d rush to sign for them. But that’s not the case any more.”

I think the BU jumped the shark with the protest. And I suspect if they don't use former players for future meetings, the attendance will drop dramatically. Their failure to articulate how an "independant, automomous Board" will come into being will further frustrate those who are looking for a clear workable proposal for change which they can embrace.

Being against something is simply not good enough.

That said, if Silas was still part of BU, I'd join in a shot as he appears to be one of the few more balanced anti board people on this forum.

PS That Arsenal group won't last beyond two games

 

[zed]

I think we have different views on the subversive intent and the self serving lengths at any cost KEIOC are prepared to go to, to meet what i beleive becomes increaseingly a self serving agenda.

at the risk of repeating yoursef- can you clarify your reasons for believing KEIOC are `subversive and self serving`

 

[Silas]

I think the BU jumped the shark with the protest. And I suspect if they don't use former players for future meetings, the attendance will drop dramatically. Their failure to articulate how an "independant, automomous Board" will come into being will further frustrate those who are looking for a clear workable proposal for change which they can embrace.

Being against something is simply not good enough.

That said, if Silas was still part of BU, I'd join in a shot as he appears to be one of the few more balanced anti board people on this forum.

PS That Arsenal group won't last beyond two games

Not sure my influence would be enough to get many people on board mate although I appreciate the sentiment! I think the protest was good but not capitalising on it subsequently is an issue. I also think the attendance of players is a bad thing and detracts from the meeting itself, especially if they are not endorsing the BU. Not totally convinced on the interim board thing but I agree with needing to be more effective in looking for buyers.

 

[Neiler]

at the risk of repeating yoursef- can you clarify your reasons for believing KEIOC are `subversive and self serving`

Its been discussed ad nauseam mate:

Point 1 of many would be: http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/2680-KEIOC-Protest

 

[zed]

Its been discussed ad nauseam mate:

Point 1 of many would be: http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/2680-KEIOC-Protest

ta, i raised this because you are so much 100% anti KEIOC and with time passing couldve said -here and now- `they have been discredited because of x,y and z, heres proof` btw - dont forget, others have agendas too......anyway, thanks for the link

 

[zed]

Its been discussed ad nauseam mate:

Point 1 of many would be: http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/2680-KEIOC-Protest

tbh mate, i know its old hat now but a lot of stuff in that link was 2+2=5 stuff. (possibly)deliberately misunderstanding a basic fact like `kirkby being outside the city limits is a major factor for not wanting to move there` the reality is nothing like that - Everton are and need to be in an inner city enviroment - not stuck out in the sticks. a lot of vociferous anti-keioc rants had this as a basis for their arguement

 

[Neiler]

ta, i raised this because you are so much 100% anti KEIOC and with time passing couldve said -here and now- `they have been discredited because of x,y and z, heres proof` btw - dont forget, others have agendas too......anyway, thanks for the link

I think its also worth pointing out mate, that they were part of the objectionable legal element at the Kirkby enquiry employing a legal team to challenge the club. They actually appointed a legal team and spent money in a process that cost Everton close and prob above 10 mill. Clapped when the descison was called in and now form a different organisation to complain about the subsequent malaise they fought so hard for - what did they expect - they contributed to it.

Secondly - they have told whoppers about the annexe and the context for the delay, thirdly the subsquent secret recording of the alledged interview with Bill has their finger prints all over it.

They are a disgracefull organisation, who have contributed nothing but bad practicaly to the club and done nothing but besmirch the good name of the club and its supporters ever since its inception.

With the above in mind, i wouldnt want any hand act or part in anything they are involved with as from a moral and ethical point of view i dont think they have any standards, its sad and worrisome they are even remotely on the radar of anything to do with club or our support.