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Heaven forbid the scumbags who enable this be called racist though.

Immigration policy should surely be separate from refugee policy though and in which case it should be biased towards skill sets and the role requirement of the country.

If the need is there for unskilled workers and I'm not arguing it isn't then of course we should be admitting the required number. Opening borders to allow unlimited unskilled immigrants who aren't claiming asylum seems likely to cause more harm than good in my opinion.
 
Immigration policy should surely be separate from refugee policy though and in which case it should be biased towards skill sets and the role requirement of the country.

If the need is there for unskilled workers and I'm not arguing it isn't then of course we should be admitting the required number. Opening borders to allow unlimited unskilled immigrants who aren't claiming asylum seems likely to cause more harm than good in my opinion.
I don't believe in a centrally planned economy so naturally don't think a government can centrally plan the labour market either. As I've said before, I dare say if you took a straw poll of GOT users and asked them "would you upsticks and move abroad without a job to go to, somewhere to live, etc., or would you get things arranged before you set off?" practically everyone would do the latter, yet we seem to be of this notion that foreigners just decide one day to come to Britain and then figure everything out when they get here. It doesn't make much sense.
 
I don't believe in a centrally planned economy so naturally don't think a government can centrally plan the labour market either. As I've said before, I dare say if you took a straw poll of GOT users and asked them "would you upsticks and move abroad without a job to go to, somewhere to live, etc., or would you get things arranged before you set off?" practically everyone would do the latter, yet we seem to be of this notion that foreigners just decide one day to come to Britain and then figure everything out when they get here. It doesn't make much sense.
Tbf though mate, I would imagine that most people on GOT would follow the destination countries entry requirements and if rejected probably wouldn't try and get smuggled in.

This is clearly a different need than for those suffering displacement from war and terror and as a people Europe/the west should have a joined up strategy and approach but we have Everton level leadership :(
 
I don't believe in a centrally planned economy so naturally don't think a government can centrally plan the labour market either. As I've said before, I dare say if you took a straw poll of GOT users and asked them "would you upsticks and move abroad without a job to go to, somewhere to live, etc., or would you get things arranged before you set off?" practically everyone would do the latter, yet we seem to be of this notion that foreigners just decide one day to come to Britain and then figure everything out when they get here. It doesn't make much sense.

A straw poll of GOT users would be a frightening piece of evidence to use to base policy on to be fair.

I'm not against any kind of immigration specifically, I voted remain and my partner is an immigrant (although I'm sure she wouldn't thank me for using the expression).

If there is any major first world country with such an immigration policy that can show it works and is beneficial then I've got my eyes open and I'd happily consider it. To be just a lone wolf happily admitting anyone and everyone as part of some national social experiment seems at best naive and at worst completely self destructive.
 
Tbf though mate, I would imagine that most people on GOT would follow the destination countries entry requirements and if rejected probably wouldn't try and get smuggled in.

This is clearly a different need than for those suffering displacement from war and terror and as a people Europe/the west should have a joined up strategy and approach but we have Everton level leadership :(
We've very recently been part of the EU and so didn't need to worry about any centrally ordained entry requirements, and funnily enough people seemed able to arrange their own affairs pretty well, as indeed did employers. I'm just not sure why we think some random in the Home Office would know more about what's good for either ourselves as individuals or our organisation if we're an employer. I mean if the government were so good at managing staffing you perhaps wouldn't think the NHS would have 110,000 unfilled vacancies at the moment. It's almost like they really haven't got a clue.
 
A straw poll of GOT users would be a frightening piece of evidence to use to base policy on to be fair.

I'm not against any kind of immigration specifically, I voted remain and my partner is an immigrant (although I'm sure she wouldn't thank me for using the expression).

If there is any major first world country with such an immigration policy that can show it works and is beneficial then I've got my eyes open and I'd happily consider it. To be just a lone wolf happily admitting anyone and everyone as part of some national social experiment seems at best naive and at worst completely self destructive.
The EU showed it could work. There are literally open borders between 27 countries. It's strange how quickly we seem to have forgotten that we were members and so many on here were incredibly sad that we no longer are.
 
The EU showed it could work. There are literally open borders between 27 countries. It's strange how quickly we seem to have forgotten that we were members and so many on here were incredibly sad that we no longer are.

Bit of a difference between 27 EU countries and 195 countries in the world.

And no it's not where in the world they come from, it's a question of numbers.

Saying to everyone in the whole world, get a ticket and come to Britain just seems utterly insane.
 
It's just weird. We accept quite blatantly free movement within the four countries of the United Kingdom, just as there is likewise between the 50 states of the US, yet if, for instance, Scotland left the union, we would feel the need to impose border controls, for no other reason than they are now "foreign", as though this tangential notion of foreignness automatically makes one suspicious. It's bonkers.
 
Bit of a difference between 27 EU countries and 195 countries in the world.

And no it's not where in the world they come from, it's a question of numbers.

Saying to everyone in the whole world, get a ticket and come to Britain just seems utterly insane.
Well yes, it is utterly insane to think that. We're veering into Farage territory here with his absurdly racist poster about Turkish accession to the Union meaning that 84 million Turks are suddenly going to arrive at Dover. Perhaps a more current example would be the arrangement struck with Hong Kong recently, which allowed any Hong Kong citizen to move to the UK. If Asians weren't "good migrants" perhaps Farage would have whipped out his poster and scared people with thoughts of 2.9 million Hong Kongians turning up at Heathrow, but of course that hasn't happened because people don't generally go half way around the world on a wing and a prayer.
 
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