peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
As you say, you haven’t been here long. I have no problem whatsoever with legal immigration from anywhere on the planet. My kids live around the world and have wives and children whom you would deem as foreign.….
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As you say, you haven’t been here long. I have no problem whatsoever with legal immigration from anywhere on the planet. My kids live around the world and have wives and children whom you would deem as foreign.….
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
So what is the issue about then Bruce when we hold opposing views on the manner of immigration….you know I have no problem with anyone coming here, just the manner in which it takes place….
"I want legal immigrants. Not illegal immigrants who just turn up from an EU country"
This is so stupid it could get you a ministerial job in this Government.
This is so stupid it could get you a ministerial job in this Government.
It's not even about differing views on immigration. You fail to understand the motivation of refugees, despite numerous studies being posted over the past few days. You fail to understand the legalities of claiming asylum, despite numerous links explaining it to you being shared. You repeatedly misrepresent the demographics of refugees in Calais, despite statistics being shown to you, and the factors behind those demographics.
This is what's bothering me. Basic facts and statistics that you don't even need to do your own research for as they've been shoved under your nose. Just because this idiotic government are thick as pigs [Poor language removed] you don't need to blithely follow them. This isn't a matter of differing opinions having equal validity as there are some things that just are and some that are just not. Please, for the love of god, stop prattling on things that are verifiably nonsense.
Lobster Johnson
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Well then let's spend the money on cutting out the traffickers and help people come to the UK safely to apply for asylum. You'd support that, right?
peteblue
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Providing those that failed to gain asylum were then taken straight back to where they were picked up, yes….I assume you’d be happy with this….
Spadge Vernacular
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There is nothing wrong with someone identifying that immigration needs to be legal/managed/have rules.
There's nothing wrong with people saying it, but I'd love to see the evidence that supports their belief that it's the best approach.
Spadge Vernacular
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Someone mentioned Ghana earlier, countries in west Africa are looking to industrialise and attract talent/ex pats back. Such developing countries would suffer if Europe, for example, offered an open door policy. There are many considerations.
Also not true.
The Effects of Emigration on the Sending Country
Emigration helps to alleviate unemployment in the sending country and increase the incomes of the remaining workers. Also, émigrés often send money home to their families, thereby contributing both to the home economy and to the nations' trade balance.
What are you basing this on?
Spadge Vernacular
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Brain drain is a problem for competing economies. From the health sector in Africa, for example, costs nations billions in lost revenue per year. Generally speaking, there is a challenge in running or developing successful economies if the people you need to manage them can earn $40,000 - $70,000 more p/a (figures from an article in discussion with DIT) if they leave for the west to realise this improved salary and standard of living. We have seen recently how economies rely upon upon a workforce of both skilled and unskilled to function in Germanys action in opening its borders - one sides win is another sides loss.Also not true.
The Effects of Emigration on the Sending Country
Emigration helps to alleviate unemployment in the sending country and increase the incomes of the remaining workers. Also, émigrés often send money home to their families, thereby contributing both to the home economy and to the nations' trade balance.www.rand.org
At a recent conference I have just attended one of the topics was resilience in developing markets post covid and facing climate change and with the coming impact of the war in Ukraine. The consensus was that migration of the young workforce and of skilled/educated workers will take a huge toll on a region (Africa) whose human capital is already scarce.
The former President of the African Development Bank, Akinwumi Adesina identified such issues at a G7 Summit in 2017 when saying;
"The future of Africa’s youth does not lie in migration to Europe; it should not be at the bottom of the Mediterranean; it lies in a prosperous Africa. We must create greater economic opportunities for our youth right at home in Africa."
During the recent 'Year of Return', Ghana granted citizenship to the diaspora community and descendant's of those taken as slaves. They are looking to attract the workforce needed to industrialise, and also investment.
You can see that people are already willing to risk their lives to escape to the promised lands of the west and us opening the door won't help those looking to develop.
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6% of Ghana's GDP is from remittances sent back by people working abroad (for the Philippines (see below) it is nearly 10% of their GDP). That's substantial. It's also common for people to leave to study abroad and then return to their homeland with additional skills and expertise. For instance, an outsized proportion of Chinese entrepreneurs are those who have spent time overseas. A diaspora can also play a crucial role in establishing trade links between countries. For instance, a number of studies I've seen show that entrepreneurs are most likely to return to their homeland when looking to expand, either in terms of their workforce or markets. VC funds also tend to operate on a similar basis.
Perhaps this might be most pertinent, however, given both your comments about nurses and the remarks in the RAND study I responded with
Nurse Migration from a Source Country Perspective: Philippine Country Case Study - PMC
To describe nurse migration patterns in the Philippines and their benefits and costs. The Philippines is a job-scarce environment and, even for those with jobs in the health care sector, poor working conditions often motivate nurses to seek ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
What we're ultimately talking about here though is whether someone has freedom to travel or not. It seems a pretty dark time if we're reinstigating the communist era whereby people weren't allowed to leave their country without state permission.
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