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[Bruce Wayne]

All the swollocks written about countries and communities unable to cope with changes in population has been blown to smithereens by the Ukraine situation as we have 4 million or so people spread out across Europe in a matter of weeks. It hasn't been easy, but it's generally been fine. They're okay though because they're white.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I do Bruce, and you know that for a long time I have said similar. Do it legally and be welcomed. They are in no danger at all within the EU until they are processed. Why does France not do this is the real question …..

And I've told you dozens of times, there are no legal routes from a great many countries on the planet. How the [Poor language removed] are people expected to get a visa in order to claim asylum? If you were that bothered you'd actually take some time to educate yourself, but you're not bothered at all and it's much easier to just regurgitate the utter swill you read every day in the Torygraph.

 

[TheBigIguana]

A map of where people originally came from, before deciding that the much vaunted EU was not a place they wanted to live. There is absolutely no reason why processing should not take place in the EU, indeed they are legally obliged to do so. The U.K. pays France to help with all this, but they turn a blind eye to the criminal racket and allow people to cross a dangerous sea. If people were processed and deemed genuine refugees, as opposed to economic migrants, then we should put them on a ferry or plane and bring them over safely...

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Of course if anyone has a genuine answer to this problem, please just share it…..

Ridiculous how we treat people differently based on imaginary lines and the location of their mother at the moment of birth

 

[Bruce Wayne]

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9307/

It isn’t possible to apply for a visa for the purpose of claiming asylum in the UK. People can only apply for asylum upon/after arrival in the UK.

Now, how do you board a flight without a visa for your destination? Oh...

 

[peteblue]

All the swollocks written about countries and communities unable to cope with changes in population has been blown to smithereens by the Ukraine situation as we have 4 million or so people spread out across Europe in a matter of weeks. It hasn't been easy, but it's generally been fine. They're okay though because they're white.

And mostly families, or women and children. Those arriving by boat appear to be mostly male and single young men.

So what is the solution Bruce.

 

[ste d' indica]

Not saying the current idea is right in any way but there does have to be some sort of buffer in place.

Countries have border patrol for a reason outside the EU. You can't just let everyone in that turns up, without anything in place. This fellas attitude of just help them , morally is correct but logically it isn't. For a whole host of reasons that would spin this conversation in a different direction.

A professional, funded and strategically led immigration service backed by a Home Office with an ounce of compassion would be a good place to start.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

And mostly families, or women and children. Those arriving by boat appear to be mostly male and single young men.

So what is the solution Bruce.

As per my link above, I'm an advocate of open borders.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

BoJo resigned yet?

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Ghost Rider]

Yes, you can.

Open Borders Are a Trillion-Dollar Idea

Tearing down all barriers to migration isn’t crazy—it’s an opportunity for a global boom.

foreignpolicy.com

A professional, funded and strategically led immigration service backed by a Home Office with an ounce of compassion would be a good place to start.

Given the size difference between the UK and the rest of Europe, letting anyone in, it raises the obvious questions.

1. Where do they all live? Houses are finite and already moving into greenspaces

2. Where do they all work?

3. Who pays for a significant increase in healthcare , social aspects , the extra demand on food , water, utilities on the country?

4. Where do they all live , because houses don't magically appear out of thin air so worth mentioning twice seeing as though we are talking thousands upon thousands each year needed.

5. Why doesn't other countries just 'let them all in'?

6. Where are they going to live because sticking them all in some dive or hostel type accomodation would be horrible for them.

Jesus, this whole ideology of letting them all come doesn't translate into 10 people outside the pub, it's thousands upon thousands of people skipping literally all of Europe to come to the smallest island in the west every year, every month even with an open door policy.

With nothing to sustain such an increase in population at a time when people who live here are being driven into poverty.






5.

 

[ste d' indica]

Given the size difference between the UK and the rest of Europe, letting anyone in, it raises the obvious questions.

1. Where do they all live? Houses are finite and already moving into greenspaces

2. Where do they all work?

3. Who pays for a significant increase in healthcare , social aspects , the extra demand on food , water, utilities on the country?

4. Where do they all live , because houses don't magically appear out of thin air so worth mentioning twice seeing as though we are talking thousands upon thousands each year needed.

5. Why doesn't other countries just 'let them all in'?

6. Where are they going to live because sticking them all in some dive or hostel type accomodation would be horrible for them.

Jesus, this whole ideology of letting them all come doesn't translate into 10 people outside the pub, it's thousands upon thousands of people skipping literally all of Europe to come to the smallest island in the west every year, every month even with an open door policy.

With nothing to sustain such an increase in population at a time when people who live here are being driven into poverty.






5.

Perhaps you could point to where I've advocated an open policy.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Perhaps you could point to where I've advocated an open policy.

Bruce did and your reply to was in response to a post about just letting everyone in , or 'doing something for them'.

Which kinda translates into allowing them to enter because there isn't much else you can do for them when they are coming here.

Hence why you may have misinterpreted my reply , it was a reply to a reply. Or to word it better , a reply to a reply and the original reply content was lost!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Given the size difference between the UK and the rest of Europe, letting anyone in, it raises the obvious questions.

1. Where do they all live? Houses are finite and already moving into greenspaces

2. Where do they all work?

3. Who pays for a significant increase in healthcare , social aspects , the extra demand on food , water, utilities on the country?

4. Where do they all live , because houses don't magically appear out of thin air so worth mentioning twice seeing as though we are talking thousands upon thousands each year needed.

5. Why doesn't other countries just 'let them all in'?

6. Where are they going to live because sticking them all in some dive or hostel type accomodation would be horrible for them.

Jesus, this whole ideology of letting them all come doesn't translate into 10 people outside the pub, it's thousands upon thousands of people skipping literally all of Europe to come to the smallest island in the west every year, every month even with an open door policy.

With nothing to sustain such an increase in population at a time when people who live here are being driven into poverty.






5.

I'm logging off for the night, but if you actually want to understand these issues more I can recommend

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as starting points. They both answer your questions in far more detail than I can here.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I'm logging off for the night, but if you actually want to understand these issues more I can recommend

Amazon product ASIN 1250316960Amazon product ASIN 1108702457
as starting points. They both answer your questions in far more detail than I can here.

Do avoiding the simple question of where does everyone live in the UK with an open border policy?

We weren't talking about any other country, just the UK ?

 

[Mr. White]

Given the size difference between the UK and the rest of Europe, letting anyone in, it raises the obvious questions.

1. Where do they all live? Houses are finite and already moving into greenspaces

2. Where do they all work?

3. Who pays for a significant increase in healthcare , social aspects , the extra demand on food , water, utilities on the country?

4. Where do they all live , because houses don't magically appear out of thin air so worth mentioning twice seeing as though we are talking thousands upon thousands each year needed.

5. Why doesn't other countries just 'let them all in'?

6. Where are they going to live because sticking them all in some dive or hostel type accomodation would be horrible for them.

Jesus, this whole ideology of letting them all come doesn't translate into 10 people outside the pub, it's thousands upon thousands of people skipping literally all of Europe to come to the smallest island in the west every year, every month even with an open door policy.

With nothing to sustain such an increase in population at a time when people who live here are being driven into poverty.






5.

I seriously doubt you'll get any sensible response to any of these reasonable questions. These questions don't fit the narrative on here...

Several of the recent posts on this thread are saying that this is targeting refugees. It's not. The message was quite clear... genuine refugees, as it should be, are welcome. Illegal migrants are not welcome. I'm not sure if this Rwanda plan is the best or fairest solution. But, there does need to be some kind of effective deterrent against illegal entry. Currently, all that is needed, is to destroy/lose any kind of passport or ID, so they can't be returned to their country of origin. Perhaps being returned to a place that is worse than where they travelled from is an effective deterrent? To those who oppose this, what are the alternatives? There is no such thing as a nice deterrent.