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[Bruce Wayne]

Irrespective of his personal EU stance, what he was proposing was a democratic and not a hard Brexit. We wouldn't be in this state.

The Tories have shown that when you want to get rid of a "nuisance", you veer onto their turf. They did that and largely removed UKIP from the equation. Labour could have done that over Brexit and really spoke to the remain voters, but instead offered a Tory lite version of it.

 

[Kurt.]

 

[gonetomorrow]

Proportional Representation....I keep telling you. It'll sort the Tories out in one fell swoop.

I seem to remember a referendum about that during the coalition. Not much heralded at the time and quickly forgotten.

 

[woodsyni]

I seem to remember a referendum about that during the coalition. Not much heralded at the time and quickly forgotten.

Absolutely. The big two voting for that would have been turkeys voting for Christmas. Unfortunately, Labour need to realise they are no longer that 'big' anymore. PR is simply more democratic. No brainer for me.

 

[grandjoeblue]

That Paul Scully who they wheeled out this morning for interviews is incompetent. I think his plan is to bore the interviewer to avoid answering questions.

 

[Tubey]

I seem to remember a referendum about that during the coalition. Not much heralded at the time and quickly forgotten.

Nah, that was on the Alternative Vote (AV). It's what Clegg sold his soul for and it got thrashed.

PR would sort the Tories out but create a raft of other issues, such as opening the door to permanently paralyzed government and authoritarianism. But no system is perfect.

 

[orchard]

The Tories have shown that when you want to get rid of a "nuisance", you veer onto their turf. They did that and largely removed UKIP from the equation. Labour could have done that over Brexit and really spoke to the remain voters, but instead offered a Tory lite version of it.

They offered the rational middle ground that accepted the vote but not the extreme form of Brexit that we have ended up with.

 

[spectateur]

Nah, that was on the Alternative Vote (AV). It's what Clegg sold his soul for and it got thrashed.

PR would sort the Tories out but create a raft of other issues, such as opening the door to permanently paralyzed government and authoritarianism. But no system is perfect.

PR would enable a full range of opinion in the hc.
Instead of head on confrontation, politicians would have to learn to work in coelition governments.
After all most of the democratic world does it that way.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

They offered the rational middle ground that accepted the vote but not the extreme form of Brexit that we have ended up with.

And there we are. They're still stuck in the past pretending that they're the party of the red wall Brexiters who have been lost to the Tories. They're not the constituency anymore as they've gone to UKIP/Tories. They pulled themselves inside out to appease a group that no longer gave one.

 

[Harryflashman]

 

[Lapeno77]

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He's the leak.

 

[Toast]

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He should have quoted Max and Paddy..

“If you play with feathers, you get your arse tickled.. “

 

[Aberblue]

Nah, that was on the Alternative Vote (AV). It's what Clegg sold his soul for and it got thrashed.

PR would sort the Tories out but create a raft of other issues, such as opening the door to permanently paralyzed government and authoritarianism. But no system is perfect.

As opposed to the smooth running, efficient and inclusive government we have now?

 

[summerisle]

Get shut of them.

 

[tsubaki]

PR would enable a full range of opinion in the hc. Instead of head on confrontation, politicians would have to learn to work in coelition governments.
After all most of the democratic world does it that way.

TBF it enables a broader range of parties, not necessarily of opinion.

Our political system only works when a community elects a representative to speak for it; what is corrupting our system is that the representative is in a very large number of cases representing their party first.

I am not sure that going down the PR route, which embeds parties in the system even more than they are now, is the right way to go about things - we'd end up with lists that are maintained by party HQs. Personally I'd make it illegal to conduct national political fundraising, ban anyone who wasn't resident in a constituency from donating to any parties in that constituency (including donating to people in the constituency who then pass the money on) and massively weaken the whip system for MPs. I also think there is an argument for going back to the system of about 150 years ago where MPs who are appointed as ministers have to seek reelection when they are appointed.