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Was very sombre in liverpool when thatcher died.
A really sad day for the city.
A really sad day for the city.
tsubaki
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They do, but at gigs and on planes you aren't (usually anyway) intentionally right next to the talent or the pilot for a long period of time. The amount of security covering people getting on planes is also huge.
To be fair to him IDS (on BBC News) earlier pointed out the reasons why surgeries are needed as well as that those same reasons made security at them far more difficult.
Leylo
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Someone has just lost their life you [Poor language removed]
NilSatisOptimum
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Actually if you must garner political advantage from this horrid event and if reports hold true, it's far more likely to be our constant meddling in Iraq to Yemen that will be the thrust of the suspect actions, and thats sits squarely in centre and right of politics in the UK. And the suspect won't be listening or respecting Rayner the female politician. it's just another male far right terrorist be it based in Islamic conservatism.
Neither of the people you quoted were talking about the suspect's alleged actions. Both were expressly referring to the comments made on this forum, in exceptionally poor taste, by some posters attempting to justify the murder of the victim because they disagreed with his politics.
I was. But Thatcher died of natural causes - a different set of circumstances to being violently attacked in one's place of work.
Martin Alvito
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The discussion here inadvertently says everything that needs to be said about the current state of politics in the US and UK.
A MP is murdered. The official story is that the murder was an act of Islamic terrorism. The topics of debate here are: who internally is responsible, and is the media coverage consistent with past crises or is it biased?
That is not what we should be talking about.
The reality is that everything has become politicized. If public health and foreign affairs have somehow become areas of partisan conflict, why would the murder of a sitting legislator be any different? Events today put the moral bankruptcy of such an approach into sharp relief, to be sure.
@LinekersLegs Recent history over here is nearly as ugly. Gabby Giffords, the Congressional baseball game...it's hard to imagine a sitting senator getting on an Amtrak train every weekend to and from DC the way Biden once did.
On both sides of the pond, it's all rather reminiscent of the history of 1850's America right now. That should frighten you, given what came in the next decade.
A MP is murdered. The official story is that the murder was an act of Islamic terrorism. The topics of debate here are: who internally is responsible, and is the media coverage consistent with past crises or is it biased?
That is not what we should be talking about.
The reality is that everything has become politicized. If public health and foreign affairs have somehow become areas of partisan conflict, why would the murder of a sitting legislator be any different? Events today put the moral bankruptcy of such an approach into sharp relief, to be sure.
@LinekersLegs Recent history over here is nearly as ugly. Gabby Giffords, the Congressional baseball game...it's hard to imagine a sitting senator getting on an Amtrak train every weekend to and from DC the way Biden once did.
On both sides of the pond, it's all rather reminiscent of the history of 1850's America right now. That should frighten you, given what came in the next decade.
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Some Sussy baka posts in this thread so far
Also the attack on the Capitol where multiple politicians of both parties were under threat. Tbh America has far more of a history than the UK, for instance attempts have been made on the lives of one of every five American Presidents with one of every nine Presidents has been killed.
I’m all for a vibrant and heated discussion of different political viewpoints and their very real impact on people’s day to day lives and health. But violence and intimidation are not a solution to problems.
Martin Alvito
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Oh, violence and intimidation solve problems, all right. They just don't lead to equilibria that stick in the long run.
I didn't get into the history of 1850s America, but there was an incident where one senator pulled a pistol on another, an incident where one senator literally beat another with a walking stick, and an out-and-out bench-clearing brawl on the floor of the House that was nearly replicated on January 7th. I'm with you on the topic of real discussion, and what it often looks like. The concern that I have is that I suspect current political violence is more symptom than cause.
I would argue that the three truly indivisible issues in this life are philosophy, religion and sex. The former two involve the acceptance of priors by the principals, which are not subject to debate; the last involves sufficiently strong preferences that they might as well be priors. Our current political battles are contested over all three of those fraught issue areas. The American Civil War was, at the end of the day, a religious war over what it means to be a Christian. I've argued for quite a number of years that if the geographical distribution of preferences in this country was North-South rather than urban-rural, we'd already have had or be having the shooting war.
Eh?
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