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[Lapeno77]

The Tories have persuaded voters there’s a threat worse than fuel shortages | Nesrine Malik

The goal of the ‘war on woke’ is to make people think that while things are bad, they could be a lot worse if the left was in power, says the Guardian columnist Nesrine Malik

amp.theguardian.com

 

[Lapeno77]

 

[Kurt.]

 

[JimmyJeffers]

That’s a good article. He’s one of the worst that little slug.

 

[summerisle]

Charity asks Tory MP who confuses two ethnic minority ministers to step back from role

The Conservative denies saying "they all look the same to me" after mixing up two ethnic minority ministers at an event.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Xizor]

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I've got a lot of time for some of his political positions but the man didn't have the leadership nous to pull the PLP into line (and so look like a government-in-waiting), and nor did he have enough mainstream appeal to win anywhere near enough of the electorate to gain a majority. His lack of direction on the most pressing political issue of the day was unforgiveable for an opposition leader.

 

[Lapeno77]

At this rate we're going to have to think up a new name for this thread as 'Scummy' doesn't quite do the justice...

 

[tsubaki]

I've got a lot of time for some of his political positions but the man didn't have the leadership nous to pull the PLP into line (and so look like a government-in-waiting), and nor did he have enough mainstream appeal to win anywhere near enough of the electorate to gain a majority. His lack of direction on the most pressing political issue of the day was unforgiveable for an opposition leader.

I agree with the first bit certainly - there were people in the PLP who really should have been made examples of.

Someone like Danczuk for example, whose behaviour was so disgusting that even Corbs volleying him into the Thames would have been greeted with approval (by everyone) but he was just eased out painlessly when he should have been tarred and feathered.

The Brexit thing though is just a fantasy of the remainers. Corbs position was less clear than "leave" or "remain" but it was probably more sensible and reflected the mood of more of the country.... but of course the extremists boiled that argument down to absolutes with no space for anything else.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Oh dear...
'...from October 1940 the Luftwaffe switched their attacks to night-time, meaning that most people were at home or in their shelters when the bombs fell – not on their daily commute....'

One day's example (not night):
October 7, 1940
Operations over Britain

5./JG27 Messerschmitt Bf109E-1 (3565). Radiator damaged in attacks by F/O C.W. Passy, Sgt S. Duszynkski, and Sgt E.W. Wright of No.605 Squadron during escort sortie for Jabos of II.(S)/LG2 and crashed in Bedgebury Wood, south-west of Cranbrook, 4.40 p.m. FF Uffz Paul Lederer believed baled out and captured slightly wounded. Aircraft Black 10 + — 100% write-off.

5./JG27 Messerschmitt Bf109E-1 (3881). Shot down by F/L A.A. McKellar of No.605 Squadron during escort sortie for Jabos of II.(S)/LG2 and crashed at Mayfield Flats, Hadlow Down, near Heathfield, 4.45 p.m. FF Uffz Paul Lege killed. Aircraft Black 14 + – 100% write-off.

9./JG27 Messerschmitt Bf109E-4 (0751). Set alight and broke apart under attack by F/L A.A. McKellar and P/O R.W. Foster of No.605 Squadron during free-lance fighter sweep to London and crashed at Oak Farm, Headcorn, 2.00 p.m. FF Uffz Lothar Bartsch baled out and captured unhurt. Aircraft Yellow 13 + 100% write-off.

9./JG27 Messerschmitt Bf109E-1 (6131). Ditched in the Channel during return flight following fighter combat over southern England. Pilot rescued from sea by Seenotdienst. Aircraft 100% write-off.

2./JG51 Messerschmitt Bf109E-4 (5805). Crash-landed at Calais following fighter combat during return flight from Jabo attack on London Docks 12.00 p.m. Pilot wounded. Aircraft 65% damaged.

2./JG51 Messerschmitt Bf109E-4 (4853). Radiator damaged in attacks by S/L H.A.V. Hogan and P/O K.W. MacKenzie of No.501 Squadron during return flight from Jabo attack on London Docks and ditched in the Channel six miles south of Sandgate 12.58 p.m. FF Lt Erich Meyer took to dinghy, rescued by coastal patrol vessel, and landed at Dover unhurt. Aircraft 100% write-off.

2./JG51 Messerschmitt Bf109E-4 (4103). Radiator damaged by fighters following Jabo attack on London and belly-landed at Doleham Farm on Lidham Marshes, Guestling, 11.15 a.m. FF Oberlt Viktor Mölders (Staffelkapitän) captured unhurt. Aircraft Black 1 + 100% write-off.

9./JG53 Messerschmitt Bf109E-4 (1593). Severely damaged in combat with enemy fighters and belly-landed near Boulogne on return. Pilot unhurt. Aircraft 100% write-off.

5./KG51 Junkers Ju88A-1 (8064). Starboard engine set alight in attack by P/O R.F.T. Doe of No.238 Squadron during sortie to bomb Westland Aircraft Works in Yeovil and abandoned over Tappers Hill, Up Sydling, north of Sydling St Nicholas, 4.20 p.m. Also attacked by Sgt E.E. Shepperd of No.152 Squadron. FF Oberlt Sigurd Hey and BS Oberfw Josef Troll baled out and both captured unhurt, BO Lt Friedrich Bein and BF Oberfw Christian König baled out and both captured wounded. Aircraft 9K+JN 100% write-off.

4.(S)/LG2 Messerschmitt Bf109E-4 (5391). Ditched in the Channel 2 miles off Greatstone following attack by fighters during Jabo sortie to London 2.00 p.m. Possibly that claimed by F/O M. Pisarek of No.303 Squadron. FF Uffz Heinrich Bley took to dinghy and rescued by Dungeness life-boat Charles Cooper Henderson and captured with slight head injuries. Aircraft ▲ + White A 100% write-off.

4.(S)/LG2 Messerschmitt Bf109E-4 (5566). Seriously damaged by fighters during Jabo sortie to London and belly-landed and burned out at Spa Golf Club, Tunbridge Wells, 1.50p.m. Believed that attacked by F/O P.W. Lochnan of No.1 (RCAF) Squadron. FF Uffz Georg Mörschel captured wounded. Aircraft ▲ + White F 100% write-off.

5.(S)/LG2 Messerschmitt Bf109E-4 (3717). Crash-landed at Calais-Marck damaged by fighters during Jabo sortie to London 2.00 p.m. Pilot unhurt. Aircraft 60% damaged - write-off.

5.(S)/LG2 Messerschmitt Bf109E-7 (2013). Crashed on landing at Calais-Marck damaged by fighters during Jabo sortie to London 2.00 p.m. Pilot unhurt. Aircraft 50% damaged but repairable.

4./ZG26 Messerschmitt Bf110D-2 (3416). Shot down by RAF fighters during escort sortie for Ju88s of II./KG51 to Yeovil and crashed in sea south of Portland 4.20 p.m. FF Oberfw Fritz Stahl and BF Uffz Ernst Mauer both missing. Aircraft 3U+HN 100% write-off.

4./ZG26 Messerschmitt Bf110E-1 (3427). Starboard engine disabled by fighters during escort sortie following attack on Yeovil by Ju88s of II/KG51 and abandoned over Bowleaze Cove, Weymouth, 4.05 p.m. Believed that shot down by P/O E.S. Marrs of No.152 Squadron. FF Oberfw Erwin Gensler baled out and captured unhurt, BF Uffz Franz Haefner baled out and captured slightly wounded - both landing near Ringstead Bay. Aircraft 3U+FM 100% write-off.

6./ZG26 Messerschmitt Bf110C-7 (3418). Shot down by F/L M.L. Robinson of No.609 Squadron during escort sortie for II./KG51 attack on Yeovil and crashed at Kingston Russell Dairy Farm, Long Bredy, 7 miles south-west of Dorchester, 4.00 p.m. Possibly also that attacked by F/L F.J. Howell. FF Oberfw Karl Herzog and BF Obergefr Herbert Schilling both killed. Aircraft 3U+JP 100% write-off.

Stab III./ZG26Messerschmitt Bf110E-1 (3421). Shot down by fighters during escort sortie for II./KG51 attack on Yeovil and ditched in Weymouth Bay 4.15 p.m. FF Lt Botho Sommer captured unhurt, BF Uffz Paul Preuler captured wounded. Aircraft 3U+DD 100% write-off.

9./ZG26 Messerschmitt Bf110C-4 (3283). Shot down by fighters during escort sortie for II./KG51 attack on Yeovil and exploded on Harp Hill, Stoborough Heath, near Wareham, 4.20 p.m. Possibly that claimed by F/O J.C. Dundas of No.609 Squadron. FF Lt Kurt Sidow and BF Gefr Josef Repik both killed. Aircraft 3U+BT 100% write-off.

9./ZG26 Messerschmitt Bf110C-4 (3640). Starboard engine disabled and port engine and radiator badly damaged in attack by fighters during escort sortie for II./KG51 to Yeovil. Engine finally seized so ditched in the sea off Weymouth 4.15 p.m. FF Oberlt Hubert Grisslich rescued and captured unhurt, BF Uffz Ludwig Obermeier baled out over land and captured seriously wounded. Aircraft 3U+GT 100% write-off.

9./ZG26 Messerschmitt Bf110C-4 (3564). Shot down by fighters during escort sortie for II./KG51 attack on Yeovil and belly-landed near Corfe Castle 4.00 p.m. Probably that claimed by F/L M.L. Robinson of No.609 Squadron and also attacked by F/O R.E.P. Brooker of No.56 Squadron. BF Obergefr Josef Bachmann (of 8/ZG26) killed, FF Gefr Bernhard Demmig (also 8/ZG26) captured unhurt. Aircraft 3U+JT 100% write-off.

There are further examples for every day of October...

 

[larrygobfiend]

At this rate we're going to have to think up a new name for this thread as 'Scummy' doesn't quite do the justice...

Proper vote winner, that….







….wish I was joking

 

[Xizor]

The Brexit thing though is just a fantasy of the remainers. Corbs position was less clear than "leave" or "remain" but it was probably more sensible and reflected the mood of more of the country.... but of course the extremists boiled that argument down to absolutes with no space for anything else.

Saying "we're the party for both remain and leave" didn't really mean anything though in terms of a route forward in the Brexit morass of the day. It was just an attempt to sit on the fence and not alienate large swathes of potential Labour voters, who were more divided than the support of other mainstream parties.

I appreciate the Labour in general and Corbyn specifically got dealt a bum hand by the lines the county divided itself on over Brexit, and we'll never know if being more strident in either a Remain or Leave direction would have worked for them. But as I said, it's absolutely unforgiveable for the leader of the opposition to attempt to excuse themselves from having an answer to (or even any interest in) the burning political problem of the day - on his watch, Labour became increasingly irrelevant leading into the 2019 election and suffered accordingly.

These are old battles though, not worth dredging through.

 

[Twinkletoes123]

Retiree Dorothy Dodson has an answer for our labour shortage and to our benefit claimants:-

 

[Black Belt Jones]

Tory MP Sir David Amess just been stabbed at constituency surgery in Leigh on Sea - no information on his condition.

Conservative MP Sir David Amess stabbed multiple times in incident at constituency surgery

Sir David Amess, who represents Southend West in Essex, was attacked on Friday at Belfairs Methodist Church in Leigh-on-Sea. Sky News understands a man walked into his constituency surgery and stabbed him multiple times.

news.sky.com

 

[Wizard]

Tory MP Sir David Amess just been stabbed at constituency surgery in Leigh on Sea - no information on his condition.

Conservative MP Sir David Amess stabbed multiple times in incident at constituency surgery

Sir David Amess, who represents Southend West in Essex, was attacked on Friday at Belfairs Methodist Church in Leigh-on-Sea. Sky News understands a man walked into his constituency surgery and stabbed him multiple times.

news.sky.com

Awful. Hope he is ok

 

[Toast]

Tory MP Sir David Amess just been stabbed at constituency surgery in Leigh on Sea - no information on his condition.

Conservative MP Sir David Amess stabbed multiple times in incident at constituency surgery

Sir David Amess, who represents Southend West in Essex, was attacked on Friday at Belfairs Methodist Church in Leigh-on-Sea. Sky News understands a man walked into his constituency surgery and stabbed him multiple times.

news.sky.com

The Sky News coverage is nauseating.
They love stories like this.

Hope the fella is ok.