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NilSatisOptimum
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Looking like the electorate is coming to its senses 16,000 majority spavved up the wall a Tory shire seat decimated. Maybe it's a side effect of these vaccines everyone is having, it installs common sense and some empathy.
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Chesham and Amersham: Lib Dems overturn big Tory majority in by-election upset
Leader Ed Davey says his party is now the main threat to Tory "blue wall" constituencies across the UK.
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tsubaki
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Looking like the electorate is coming to its senses 16,000 majority spavved up the wall a Tory shire seat decimated. Maybe it's a side effect of these vaccines everyone is having, it installs common sense and some empathy.
Chesham and Amersham: Lib Dems overturn big Tory majority in by-election upset
Leader Ed Davey says his party is now the main threat to Tory "blue wall" constituencies across the UK.
TBF there does seem to be a bit of a swing across the South against the Tories; similar results were seen in May.
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MP seat has very different meaning to locals, it's a thumping. And given the sad circumstances of the by election very unusual.
Anyway, some analysis from chattering class.
Protest vote against HS2 running through the middle of the constituency, coupled with current circumstances, I'd have thought.
Awful result for Labour as well as the vermin.
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All candidates were against HS2 apparently, so it probably isn't that mate...
NilSatisOptimum
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What I hear many have been calling for is "progressive alliance".
The need to combine to fight for progressive politics, Labour's vote is actually a triumph for them, when it's reciprocated in seats where Labour can win. A little light is shinning.
Not something I need to be into residing in Wales the Tories are well beaten, take note how Drakeford manages world beating vaccine delivery from the media he just thanks the NHS local authorities and volunteers for their hard work and dedication, no installing "we".
tsubaki
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TBF it *should* make the opposition parties realise that they shouldn’t screw each other over, though of course it’s not in the LDs nature to do that (as Emma Dent-Coad found).
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Get this in before why stand comes in. Be interesting how hard Labour tried. Given Labour standing aside in areas where Lib Dems have a chance of winning, it's not that simple. Labour rules clearly state Labour have to field a candidate in all constituencies and Starmer can't change the rules, that would be the NEC and it would probably have to be voted on by members as well.
HS2 and housing apparently huge issues there, and Johnson taking the mick with the lockdown delay may have played into it - the vaccine bounce may be about to end. That said, didn't see that result coming at all, thought it was a foregone conclusion for the Tories.
A 'progressive alliance', after what the Lib Dems did with the coalition government, is unlikely in a GE, but in by-elections or isolated instances it's a possible tactic because you can focus properly on it.
The bigger problem for Labour is Scotland; I'm fairly sure they'd be happy with a second referendum actually, because either Scotland sods off or the SNP are destroyed, either is an electoral win for them.
A 'progressive alliance', after what the Lib Dems did with the coalition government, is unlikely in a GE, but in by-elections or isolated instances it's a possible tactic because you can focus properly on it.
The bigger problem for Labour is Scotland; I'm fairly sure they'd be happy with a second referendum actually, because either Scotland sods off or the SNP are destroyed, either is an electoral win for them.
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Stuck in the past that. The fact that they can reach accommodation with Greens suggests so!? Any anti-Tory alliance will cover a wide spectrum, but with a common goal of electoral reform first, things as they say, can only get better!
Labour are buggered in Scotland. Not sure who their voter base is now as most of those inclined to vote for the left also support independence.
Probably best thing for them is another referendum that votes to stay in the U.K. but it didn’t work last time. They need a charismatic leader there or a prominent Scottish MP in westminster.
Guess the SNP must implode at some point but could be decades away.
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The SNP implosion is probably independence-dependent, as in once it happens the coalition holding them together has no real reason to continue.
Labour could turn things around, though I think that’s probably impossible whilst the same shower continues to be in charge up there.
I thought that would happen after the first vote to be honest.
Anyways, back on topic, hoping to see this vote as the beginning of a push back against the tories. I could even get behind the Lib Dems if labour continue the way they are going.
Good to see the Greens getting votes
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