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[NilSatisOptimum]

Sir Philip Rutnam has resigned from the Home Office and is suing the Government for constructive dismissal.

This is really worrying for Home Office colleagues but I'd be surprised if Patel lasts beyond the next reshuffle.

The sad thing is most of them won’t care.

Much like the BBC. If civil service believed that an incoming Tory administration that was evidently aligning it self with Trump America was hoping by being compliant in the vain hope it could buy favour, more fooll it I'm afraid. If he were one of the ones who went before the election I would be more sympathetic

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I believe Brennan was referring to liars in government and what he believes Cummings is doing. My comment was specifically referring to the individual PS at the Home Office. You then made a link between two completely differing aspects of this issue, as if this proved some point, and I merely pointed it out.......I’m sure if you re-read it you will then apologise.......

Don’t even bother to try your pathetic deflection and semantics routine with me fella.

My post (that Brennan replied to) related to Patel and the cabal of equally inept, unqualified, liars and charlatans that Cummings has assembled. The reason for the post being the resignation of Rutnam and his reasons for doing so, and the post ended with me saying that surely even the ardent Tories must be wincing.

Then up rocks you, with a completely baseless ad hominem attack on the man in question, who I’d wager you know absolutely nothing about, but you chose to launch at his supposed character faults solely due to your unflinching Tory support.

 

[peteblue]

You are riddled with confirmation bias. He looked weak chinned, he sounded over promoted? Complete and utter nonsense. You haven't got a clue what Philip is like.

I, however, worked directly for him for over a year. He is a fiercely intelligent, driven and fair man.

You don't become Permanent Secretary of the Home Office unless you are exceptionally competent.

He wasn't appointed like Patel for party political reasons. That's why we end up with incompetent Ministers.

Of course he is intelligent and fair. I’m not sure about your claim of ’driven’ as he struck me as a defeatist who I would not trust to run a bath. In any form of Industry he would have been one of the clever middle managers, rarely delivering, who survive on their ‘political‘ self preservation skills. If this guy is so competent, as you claim, and you worked for him, could you tell us what he has ever actually delivered and against what timescales. I would not mind betting that he’s never met a date in his life, has always delivered something inferior, and spent a great deal of his time explaining why things cannot be done.....

 

[peteblue]

Don’t even bother to try your pathetic deflection and semantics routine with me fella.

My post (that Brennan replied to) related to Patel and the cabal of equally inept, unqualified, liars and charlatans that Cummings has assembled. The reason for the post being the resignation of Rutnam and his reasons for doing so, and the post ended with me saying that surely even the ardent Tories must be wincing.

Then up rocks you, with a completely baseless ad hominem attack on the man in question, who I’d wager you know absolutely nothing about, but you chose to launch at his supposed character faults solely due to your unflinching Tory support.

Not at all, I based I opinion on a gutless, wimpish, back covering appearance on the BBC, and his lack of drive to deliver on a government manifesto.......since when do Civil Servants resign via the BBC ?.......

 

[tsubaki]

Not at all, I based I opinion on a gutless, wimpish, back covering appearance on the BBC, and his lack of drive to deliver on a government manifesto.......since when do Civil Servants resign via the BBC ?.......

lol

you base your opinions on what you are told, pete

 

[Hickson9]

Of course he is intelligent and fair. I’m not sure about your claim of ’driven’ as he struck me as a defeatist who I would not trust to run a bath. In any form of Industry he would have been one of the clever middle managers, rarely delivering, who survive on their ‘political‘ self preservation skills. If this guy is so competent, as you claim, and you worked for him, could you tell us what he has ever actually delivered and against what timescales. I would not mind betting that he’s never met a date in his life, has always delivered something inferior, and spent a great deal of his time explaining why things cannot be done.....

He has run Departments of Government with annual budgets running in to the tens of billions. He has delivered countless things.

He will already have been offered jobs in the private sector earning far, far more than he did as a Permanent Secretary. He worked abroad for Morgan Stanley when he was younger. Let's see where he will end up.

You obviously have zero experience of how Government works or civil servants at this level.

To be frank, your opinions on this are baseless and not worth much.

 

[Walken]

The sad thing is most of them won’t care.

Proven right almost instantly by the worst of them

 

[peteblue]

He has run Departments of Government with annual budgets running in to the tens of billions. He has delivered countless things.

He will already have been offered jobs in the private sector earning far, far more than he did as a Permanent Secretary. He worked abroad for Morgan Stanley when he was younger. Let's see where he will end up.

You obviously have zero experience of how Government works or civil servants at this level.

To be frank, your opinions on this are baseless and not worth much.

So you can’t actually name anything. I do have a little bit of experience dealing with the Civil Service, such as the Cabinet Office, NAO, MoD and Treasury, at PS and DG level, but I’ll grant you it was now a couple of years back. So once again, what has he actually delivered and achieved....

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

When your entire reason for being elected is based on lies and undeliverable promises, then it’s hardly a surprise when those who deal in reality and truth become the ‘enemy’ within.

 

[Hickson9]

So you can’t actually name anything. I do have a little bit of experience dealing with the Civil Service, such as the Cabinet Office, NAO, MoD and Treasury, at PS and DG level, but I’ll grant you it was now a couple of years back. So once again, what has he actually delivered and achieved....

I'll speak to his time at DfT.

If running a central government department with dozens of agencies, hundreds of thousands of staff and an annual budget of tens of billions isnt enough -

Let us start off with every bit of nationally funded transport infrastructure between 2012 and 2017.

From electrification of the railway to every bit of railway maintenance and renewals, to every major road upgrade.

Let's back that up with minor items like managing the transition of Network Rail in to the public sector after their reclassification.

Or letting every rail franchise in that time.

Or managing huge bills, like for HS2 Phase 1, through Parliament.

Etc.

Etc.

Etc.

Do you get the idea?

 

[peteblue]

When your entire reason for being elected is based on lies and undeliverable promises, then it’s hardly a surprise when those who deal in reality and truth become the ‘enemy’ within.

Yet Labour promised everything to everyone.....

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Yet Labour promised everything to everyone.....

Labour aren’t in Govt though, the Tories are, and are seemingly systematically trying to remove anyone or anything that offers any form of challenge, balance, reality check or simple offering of the truth. Whether that be civil servants, advisors, the judiciary or the press.

Their actions are becoming that of a dictatorship not a parliamentary democracy. Yet still you’ll blindly cheer, as they’re waving your chosen colour scarf. Meh.

 

[Blues Harp]

Yet Labour promised everything to everyone.....

The "whataboutery" meter has just exploded. Carry on digging

 

[peteblue]

I'll speak to his time at DfT.

If running a central government department with dozens of agencies, hundreds of thousands of staff and an annual budget of tens of billions isnt enough -

Let us start off with every bit of nationally funded transport infrastructure between 2012 and 2017.

From electrification of the railway to every bit of railway maintenance and renewals, to every major road upgrade.

Let's back that up with minor items like managing the transition of Network Rail in to the public sector after their reclassification.

Or letting every rail franchise in that time.

Or managing huge bills, like for HS2 Phase 1, through Parliament.

Etc.

Etc.

Etc.

Do you get the idea?

Oh I understand the money, size of projects and scale of the portfolio, although I’m not sure he managed hundreds of thousands of staff. So for all of the above, can you name just one single programme that came in on time and to cost. There must be one.

Also, just over a decade ago, I was brought into one of the railway companies to act as their Interim Operations and Delivery Director, responsible for all Finance, Commercial, Engineering, Design, Installation and Maintenance, to hold the reins while they went through a major reorganisation. Now I saw what was happening within many of the UK’s rail projects and tbh I wasn’t impressed. So I await with anticipation the single programme that your man, Philip, actually delivered...

 

[peteblue]

Labour aren’t in Govt though, the Tories are, and are seemingly systematically trying to remove anyone or anything that offers any form of challenge, balance, reality check or simple offering of the truth. Whether that be civil servants, advisors, the judiciary or the press.

Their actions are becoming that of a dictatorship not a parliamentary democracy. Yet still you’ll blindly cheer, as they’re waving your chosen colour scarf. Meh.

The "whataboutery" meter has just exploded. Carry on digging

But the Civil Service would have had to either deliver on the Governments promises or not. You accuse me of blindly cheering because of a scarf colour, yet can you not admit that you are all cheering on this wimp of an ex PS purely because of the colour of the government. When the government fail, I will say so. So far I think they are doing the right things to deliver on their promises, but we will see.....