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[Barnfred 55]

Massively different circumstances as well, it's in no way comparable

So what you're saying is me groping a girls backside whilst dancing with her is ok, but if I put my hand on her leg whilst sitting next to her at a table it's a sexual assault.

 

[orchard]

Massively different circumstances as well, it's in no way comparable

Cool story though.

 

[orchard]

So what you're saying is me groping a girls backside whilst dancing with her is ok, but if I put my hand on her leg whilst sitting next to her at a table it's a sexual assault.

Depends whether you bought her a drink

So what you're saying is me groping a girls backside whilst dancing with her is ok, but if I put my hand on her leg whilst sitting next to her at a table it's a sexual assault.

I don't think it's the table, there must be a suspended glitterball in the room.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Cool story though.

Thank you. That's the nicest thing you've ever said to me.

 

[orchard]

Thank you. That's the nicest thing you've ever said to me.

Probably be the last

Btw working environment/power relationship.

 

[Walken]

So what you're saying is me groping a girls backside whilst dancing with her is ok, but if I put my hand on her leg whilst sitting next to her at a table it's a sexual assault.

sigh, is this really the new level of mental gymnastics brexiteers will go to to defend johnson, a repugnant dishonest individual, but he is championing brexit so literally everything else about him has to be defended.

I said they are different circumstances and not comparable, I didn't say one was ok and I didn't say one was sexual assalt

 

[Barnfred 55]

sigh, is this really the new level of mental gymnastics brexiteers will go to to defend johnson, a repugnant dishonest individual, but he is championing brexit so literally everything else about him has to be defended.

I said they are different circumstances and not comparable, I didn't say one was ok and I didn't say one was sexual assalt

Nothing to do with Brexit and nothing to do with Johnson himself as far as I'm concerned.

And if you bother to read my previous posts on Johnson I'd say 90% of it is bad. I hate the guy and always have done since he slagged off the city twice in a matter of weeks over Hillsborough and Kenneth Bigley.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I was replying to your statement that it was inappropriate to touch somebody without being invited to. I'm just saying that in my teens it was considered the norm to do just that (after asking them if they would like to dance of course). Different times different standards.

I don't see the remotest of relevance of the two scenarios cited, your experiences in a late 70s night club or the allegation against Johnson in late 90s work place!

 

[Barnfred 55]

Probably be the last

Btw working environment/power relationship.

Fair point. And sexual predators like him would take advantage of that situation. Look, I'm not defending him as a person. I just believe that standards are different now to what they were 25 years ago, and that we shouldn't judge people for acts they did years ago based on current standards. I'd have said the same if the subject was Jeremy Corbyn or even Sam Allardyce.

By the same token, if the same thing happened at the conference this week and it was a young Tory delegate who's knee he groped, then I wouldn't be making these posts. In fact I'd probably be condemning along with everybody else in here.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I spoke to a bloke I know who's at the conference today and he was adamant it didn't mean that. Even if you give her the benefit of the doubt and say she's just ignorant rather than racist, it was still a horrible speech littered with dog whistle rhetoric.

While it's an obvious trope. The speech didn't give me that impression, I always just think of the term to be a catch all for people's own projection of something intangible to direct their anger at.

It's obviously nonesense, she was born in Islington ffs.

The thing that I find creepy about it is the suggestion that the greatest and brightest minds will be falling over themselves to come to work in the UK. The scientists, economists, the experts across their disciplines that this Government has spent years denigrating as people to be ignored, will now leap to the UK to work and contribute?
Most scientists seem to favour free movement, freedom of exchange and ideas, not less of it.

This is contrast to a hard line on crime and a 'You're not welcome here message' to anyone the government don't feel will contribute (which presumably is everyone else) delivered with the glee and bonhomie of a children's tv presenter.

 

[Jib in lad]

 

[Goat]

 

[roydo]

 

[Armaghtoffee]

It has always been thus. The left somehow believe that they can use this language, or indeed that disgraceful sign with hanging effigies, with impunity. The same people are the first to throw their hands in the air and are outraged because Boris says ‘humbug’......imagine the uproar if Labour were to suffer similar vile attacks......

Pete would you like me to post photos of elected DUP representatives actually lighting pires to burn hanging effigies and political posters of their ‘enemies’ or have I made my point?

 

[edge]

Every one he shook hands with offered there hands to shake, those two gents were clapping and didn't, doesn't make them racist though. .