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Aberblue said:
So it's ok for you to abuse political opponents, but not for anyone else.
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It has always been thus. The left somehow believe that they can use this language, or indeed that disgraceful sign with hanging effigies, with impunity. The same people are the first to throw their hands in the air and are outraged because Boris says ‘humbug’......imagine the uproar if Labour were to suffer similar vile attacks......
 
peteblue said:
It has always been thus. The left somehow believe that they can use this language, or indeed that disgraceful sign with hanging effigies, with impunity. The same people are the first to throw their hands in the air and are outraged because Boris says ‘humbug’......imagine the uproar if Labour were to suffer similar vile attacks......
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What, like being called anti-semitic or Commies? Libtards or snowflakes? Traitors or remoaners?
 
orchard said:
What, like being called anti-semitic or Commies? Libtards or snowflakes? Traitors or remoaners?
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Well if people actually are anti-Semitic, or communists then fair enough. Snowflakes, traitors or remoaners refers to no political bias either left or right........
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Must be a class entitlement thing, I knew 25 years ago it was inappropriate to touch anyone unless invited to do so. So much for the upbringing and schooling at the taxpayer funded Eaton College
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I'm a bit older than you mate, so I'm going back around 40 years to when I was an 18 yo in nightclubs, and a little bit longer to when I was a nubile going to church, school and youth club discos.

When I was having a slowie with some girl at the end of the night I would invariably, at some stage in the dance, try a hand on the arse. I never once asked for their consent first. Sometimes the girl would move my hand immediately, sometimes leave it there for a short while and then move it, sometimes they just left it there which was, in my mind, a sign to move my other hand down. Sometimes they would actually make the next move, and if we went to a club in Widnes you'd normally expect them to make the first move anyway. What I never experienced was anybody ever walking away from the dance or doing something like slapping my face.

Now this wasn't just an occasional thing. It was the norm, and for me personally must have happened hundreds of times. And I know for certain it wasn't just me; everybody was doing it. It was all part of the copping off process. It was the norm at the time and totally acceptable behaviour. I don't know what kids do these days, or even what they did 25 years ago as I've been happily married for 30 years; I don't even know if they still play slowies at nightclubs.

I was brought up in Speke and lived there for 30 years. And I certainly didn't go to Eton or anywhere like it.

You may consider what we did as strange or even outrageous, I don't know, but what I will say is that it is totally wrong to judge our actions back then purely on todays standards and morals. Even 25 years ago, putting your hand on somebody's knee would be considered forward or over friendly. With somebody like Boris's attitude towards sex it was most probably also a sexual advance to test the persons reciprocity. But at the time it was not considered molestation so it's wrong he should be getting judged in that way now. I'm not supporting Johnson here by the way, just the principle of judging people, anybody, for past actions using current standards.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
I'm a bit older than you mate, so I'm going back around 40 years to when I was an 18 yo in nightclubs, and a little bit longer to when I was a nubile going to church, school and youth club discos.

When I was having a slowie with some girl at the end of the night I would invariably, at some stage in the dance, try a hand on the arse. I never once asked for their consent first. Sometimes the girl would move my hand immediately, sometimes leave it there for a short while and then move it, sometimes they just left it there which was, in my mind, a sign to move my other hand down. Sometimes they would actually make the next move, and if we went to a club in Widnes you'd normally expect them to make the first move anyway. What I never experienced was anybody ever walking away from the dance or doing something like slapping my face.

Now this wasn't just an occasional thing. It was the norm, and for me personally must have happened hundreds of times. And I know for certain it wasn't just me; everybody was doing it. It was all part of the copping off process. It was the norm at the time and totally acceptable behaviour. I don't know what kids do these days, or even what they did 25 years ago as I've been happily married for 30 years; I don't even know if they still play slowies at nightclubs.

I was brought up in Speke and lived there for 30 years. And I certainly didn't go to Eton or anywhere like it.

You may consider what we did as strange or even outrageous, I don't know, but what I will say is that it is totally wrong to judge our actions back then purely on todays standards and morals. Even 25 years ago, putting your hand on somebody's knee would be considered forward or over friendly. With somebody like Boris's attitude towards sex it was most probably also a sexual advance to test the persons reciprocity. But at the time it was not considered molestation so it's wrong he should be getting judged in that way now. I'm not supporting Johnson here by the way, just the principle of judging people, anybody, for past actions using current standards.
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Not sure why, you trying sow your oats in a night club has got anything to do with Johnson allegedly groping a female journalist in a work lunch?
 
Barnfred 55 said:
I'm a bit older than you mate, so I'm going back around 40 years to when I was an 18 yo in nightclubs, and a little bit longer to when I was a nubile going to church, school and youth club discos.

When I was having a slowie with some girl at the end of the night I would invariably, at some stage in the dance, try a hand on the arse. I never once asked for their consent first. Sometimes the girl would move my hand immediately, sometimes leave it there for a short while and then move it, sometimes they just left it there which was, in my mind, a sign to move my other hand down. Sometimes they would actually make the next move, and if we went to a club in Widnes you'd normally expect them to make the first move anyway. What I never experienced was anybody ever walking away from the dance or doing something like slapping my face.

Now this wasn't just an occasional thing. It was the norm, and for me personally must have happened hundreds of times. And I know for certain it wasn't just me; everybody was doing it. It was all part of the copping off process. It was the norm at the time and totally acceptable behaviour. I don't know what kids do these days, or even what they did 25 years ago as I've been happily married for 30 years; I don't even know if they still play slowies at nightclubs.

I was brought up in Speke and lived there for 30 years. And I certainly didn't go to Eton or anywhere like it.

You may consider what we did as strange or even outrageous, I don't know, but what I will say is that it is totally wrong to judge our actions back then purely on todays standards and morals. Even 25 years ago, putting your hand on somebody's knee would be considered forward or over friendly. With somebody like Boris's attitude towards sex it was most probably also a sexual advance to test the persons reciprocity. But at the time it was not considered molestation so it's wrong he should be getting judged in that way now. I'm not supporting Johnson here by the way, just the principle of judging people, anybody, for past actions using current standards.
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A slowie you say?

 
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