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Gordon Brown was seen at the time as the man who saved the financial sector. At the last couple of elections Labour wouldn't even argue this when painted with the financial incompetence brush and being responsible for the crash.

....which was so frustrating and symptomatic of how poorly the Party has been managed for a long time now.
 
....which was so frustrating and symptomatic of how poorly the Party has been managed for a long time now.
I agree completely with that. The country really needs an effective Labour Party at the moment but what we've got doesn't inspire me with much confidence.
 
I agree completely with that. The country really needs an effective Labour Party at the moment but what we've got doesn't inspire me with much confidence.

Not even Labour. The UK just needs a competent opposition. If it had this shower of Tories would be scared witless of a general election instead of seemingly embracing the idea.

Just consider it. We've the greatest joke of a government in any of our lifetimes and they think theres a decent chance Joe Public will vote them in again. I have no words!
 
Not even Labour. The UK just needs a competent opposition. If it had this shower of Tories would be scared witless of a general election instead of seemingly embracing the idea.
Revisionist hyperbole... They are afraid they would have long called an election if they were confident, Grouse don't vote for the glorious 12th..

Just consider it. We've the greatest joke of a government in any of our lifetimes and they think theres a decent chance Joe Public will vote them in again. I have no words!

Rinse and repeat, vote LibDems blame previous or incumbents Labour administration for economic mismanagement. So get another Tory government, speed up wealth disparities, create a toxic environment run another referendum all in good name of being centrist...;)
 
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Revisionist hyperbole... They are afraid they would have long called an election if they were confident, Grouse don't vote for the glorious 12th..



Rinse and repeat, vote LibDems blame previous or incumbents Labour administration for economic mismanagement. So get another Tory government, speed up wealth disparities, create a toxic environment run another referendum all in good name of being centrist...;)

Agree to disagree and all that......its only 2 years since the last snap election that ended in catastrophic failure....and the Tories are emboldened to try again.

The polls are one hell of an indictment on Labour at the moment.
 
Agree to disagree and all that......its only 2 years since the last snap election that ended in catastrophic failure....and the Tories are emboldened to try again.

The polls are one hell of an indictment on Labour at the moment.

Are yes the polls and News, just like pre election 2017, its all well and good when government are in control of the agenda and have mass media and its subservient readerships, completely different come general election, when the electorate sets the agenda...
Increasingly of the opinion, 'I'm alright jack', once reserved for the Tory is now very much foundation of the Centrist agenda.
 
In line with inflation to be fair (there are arguments for raising it in line with CPI as opposed to RPI).

Looked at my first full time job contracted job down in South East, it pays the same as it did 97, cost £25 to go back home on train Friday afternoon and returning Monday morning, that same journey is £98 as of last week.

I dare say the average person working in Britain would stick CPI and RPI where it's internally dark, it's meaningless waffle...
 
Looked at my first full time job contracted job down in South East, it pays the same as it did 97, cost £25 to go back home on train Friday afternoon and returning Monday morning, that same journey is £98 as of last week.

I dare say the average person working in Britain would stick CPI and RPI where it's internally dark, it's meaningless waffle...

It's meaningless yet important waffle. Government needs something to base future budgets on.

With regards to the job you are referencing, if the pay hasn't changed in over 20 years then it must be valued less than what it was.

Costs in the rail industry are significantly higher (above inflation rises) than over 20 years ago. That is the main reason Fares are higher.

One area that should definitely change is the complexity of Fares and that the customer should not have to work to find the cheapest way to make a specific journey, the industry should offer that as a matter of course (as Trainline are doing).
 
Looked at my first full time job contracted job down in South East, it pays the same as it did 97, cost £25 to go back home on train Friday afternoon and returning Monday morning, that same journey is £98 as of last week.

I dare say the average person working in Britain would stick CPI and RPI where it's internally dark, it's meaningless waffle...

Have a look at Premier League ticket prices in comparison to what they were in 1997.
 
With regards to the job you are referencing, if the pay hasn't changed in over 20 years then it must be valued less than what it was.

Spot on. It's a race to the bottom!

Have a look at Premier League ticket prices in comparison to what they were in 1997.

I'm sure its several hundred percent if not more and unlike most people wages! Meaningless sterile figures, out of touch does not even go close!
 
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Looked at my first full time job contracted job down in South East, it pays the same as it did 97, cost £25 to go back home on train Friday afternoon and returning Monday morning, that same journey is £98 as of last week.

I dare say the average person working in Britain would stick CPI and RPI where it's internally dark, it's meaningless waffle...

How much has train drivers income gone up in that time?
 
How much has train drivers income gone up in that time?

The RMT has been very effective in that regard though it shouldn't be considered as a purely good thing.

Part of protecting that privilege is making that job more valuable through scarcity (whether that be through restricting the number of drivers, imposing where they can strict regulations, striking whenever their hegemony is threatened).

This isn't always to the benefit of the paying passenger. In a lot of cases they actively makes things more expensive for all, as it is in the interests of their members, or cause huge disruption.
 
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