Basically because they cannot accept a democratic vote!
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tsubaki
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Ruth Davidson is the Tory Dan Jarvis - ie: they like the idea of her, she has a great story, but noone actually knows what she is like.
neil999
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policy wise?
This is the prime minister of the country though, not the X-Factor.
tsubaki
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Tim is right though - the fact that the Tory vote is holding at around 40% can only be understood as an anti-Corbyn vote; if it was based on their own achievements and competence they would be hovering around 15-20%.
You could make the argument about Labour's vote too though. It's hard to believe that the Blairites support the direction Momentum has taken the party in, yet equally they can't vote for a Brexiteering Tory party.
tsubaki
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You could make that argument, but not with any real chance of success. If the past two years tell us anything about Labour, its that the Blairites represent a tiny fraction of the public.
I know you're a signed up Corbynista, but I think the argument has strong merits. Blair won many elections from the centre ground. Cameron worked hard to move the Tories to the centre and against the loonies in the party. Even France has elected what amounts to a Blairite in opposition to those on either extreme.
To suggest those in the centre ground of political discourse have vanished and you're left with either card carrying socialists or Brexiteering nationalists is a bit far stretched imo.
I'm not saying it's right to vote against someone but that's democracy. People here in NI have been doing it for 50 years. You might not like it but Lib Dems won't win labour votes cause these people love Corbyn. And they won't win Tory voters cause it's a wasted vote for someone who doesn't want a Corbyn government.
tsubaki
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You didn't say "centre ground", though. You said "Blairite" - which should suggest a set of policies (neoliberalism, an interventionist foreign policy, laissez-faire regulation, academies, tuition fees, increased privatization, PFI, increasing migration to keep wages down etc) that aren't popular and aren't really from "the centre" either.
Blair is the most centrist Labour leader there has ever been, as he was the first to accept that the market is a good thing. He moved Labour to the centre economically, and Cameron moved the Tories to the centre socially.
NilSatisOptimum
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Blairs, 'market is a good thing’ is what led to UKs banking and financial sector crash, and it would have been much worse had the Tories been in charge in those proceeding years before of the crash, because they would have gone much further with deregulation of these markets. I also blame upsurge in nationalism and the EU referendum result, had the crash not happened we would not be where we are now. I accept Labour went on a jolly good spend, however, the financial crash is far more to blame for the mess the country is falling into now.
tsubaki
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"The centre" is not privatization, PFI, light-touch regulation and the rest. Blair took Labour to a right-wing economic policy (indeed for the first term Brown basically copied what Clarke had done) and used right-wing methods (sucking up to Murdoch) to sell it to us all.
NilSatisOptimum
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Not sure it matters Edward Heath and his legacy a former Prime Minister with serious questions to answer but can’t. The guilt will now be presumed, however, it’s such political game child abuse, and I don’t trust it either way. Very sad that such serious issue has entered the theatre of playground politics, its a very disgusting British affair.
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