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[PhilM]

So you would support any 'online abuse' as leading to the arrest and detention of any individual ?

I’ll say it again: the context of a message and the severity, in conjunction with the law of the land, will depend on the response by the judiciary.

If I send an online message saying someone has a fat head and another saying I’m going to burn their mother alive, you can see the difference, right?

 

[Harryflashman]

I’ll say it again: the context of a message and the severity, in conjunction with the law of the land, will depend on the response by the judiciary.

If I send an online message saying someone has a fat head and another saying I’m going to burn their mother alive, you can see the difference, right?

I said this at the time if I post and call you a fat head thats one thing . If I post saying let’s set fire to Phil’s house that’s another and if I post let’s set fire to Phil’s house and somebody does set fire to it it feels we’ve gone up yet another level .

I don’t really understand how people find that complex . Those arrested didn’t find it complex because they stood in that dock and said guilty , not not guilty (I’ll take my chance with a jury of my peers ) but guilty to ‘intending to stir up racial hatred’ not as they’d have you believe hurty words .

 

[Zatara]

I’ll say it again: the context of a message and the severity, in conjunction with the law of the land, will depend on the response by the judiciary.

If I send an online message saying someone has a fat head and another saying I’m going to burn their mother alive, you can see the difference, right?

If thats the case, who is going to be managing all the complaints -- there would surely need to be a dedicated 'force' to monitor everything online & how complicated would that be when people can post using alias', one time emails, VPNs and through shell companies.

 

[Harryflashman]

If thats the case, who is going to be managing all the complaints -- there would surely need to be a dedicated 'force' to monitor everything online & how complicated would that be when people can post using alias', one time emails, VPNs and through shell companies.

I might be completely wrong but somebody saying “let’s kill these people “ then people trying to kill them is always getting you arrested in the uk , doesn’t feel a new phenomenon.

if somebody posted “we need to kill all the Jews and burn those synagogues “ and a mob went to a synagogue and set fire to it would you advocate that person being arrested ? I would

 

[JimmyJeffers]

If I send an online message saying someone has a fat head

I’m still speaking to my lawyers about this btw

 

[Harryflashman]

I’m still speaking to my lawyers about this btw

I got him back for you mate

 

[PhilM]

I’m still speaking to my lawyers about this btw

I don’t really understand how people find that complex .

It's either a) they're bigots, b) they're stupid, or c) they're a wum. I sometimes think it's a lot of A and B, and a little bit of C thrown in from time to time.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

why is this zero suddenly so vocal and antagonistic?

Other account recently banned?

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Ive recently had posters calling me racist and a paedo in here -- so does that now mean that i can sue them and/or theyre going to get sent down?

Thats what youre supporting right?

If not then youre a *insert mean word here* ?

This has always really puzzled me Zee man. Why DO people keep calling you a sex offender and a racist?

It's very mean.

 

[Xizor]

I think in the early internet days, when communities were smaller, specialised and more private there did use to be some naïvety that things in the online world were generally harmless with little real world impact (even through teenagers being told to kill themselves were sometimes doing so). This all changed massively with the advent of web 2.0, social media and the like, where Facebook etc and especially Twitter posts started being publicly visible & shared easily.

Taking some people a while to get up to speed on that apparently.

 

[Zatara]

I might be completely wrong but somebody saying “let’s kill these people “ then people trying to kill them is always getting you arrested in the uk , doesn’t feel a new phenomenon.

if somebody posted “we need to kill all the Jews and burn those synagogues “ and a mob went to a synagogue and set fire to it would you advocate that person being arrested ? I would

No i think @PhilM is on to something regarding actual motive, it reads like this woman was just having a massive rant to me....i may very well be wrong.

But you do read about some crazy stuff being posted online...could be someone drunk or in any state of mind -- how to enforce anything? Its global so whats stopping someone setting up a company in Belize and running accounts through that?

 

[Harryflashman]

No i think @PhilM is on to something regarding actual motive, it reads like this woman was just having a massive rant to me....i may very well be wrong.

But you do read about some crazy stuff being posted online...could be someone drunk or in any state of mind -- how to enforce anything? Its global so whats stopping someone setting up a company in Belize and running accounts through that?

So again , not to badger you. If someone said now in the middle of Gaza protests (altered for language & to make a point )

““set fire to all the f synagogues full of the b for all I care” and concluded “if that makes me anti-Semitic so be it”.

Then the protest marched to a synagogue and set fire to it with worshippers inside , would you think that person should be arrested and prosecuted?

(Just to clarify this is what someone jailed Said about hotels )

 

[Zatara]

So again , not to badger you. If someone said now in the middle of Gaza protests (altered for language & to make a point )

““set fire to all the f synagogues full of the b for all I care” and concluded “if that makes me anti-Semitic so be it”.

Then the protest marched to a synagogue and set fire to it with worshippers inside , would you think that person should be arrested and prosecuted?

(Just to clarify this is what someone jailed Said about hotels )

I think that the key word here is "someone".

If "someone" told you online to jump in front of a bus or off a cliff...is it 'reasonable' to charge a random stranger with that in comparison to "someone" who has personal or professional 'sway' and influence over you and is capable of making you do such a thing?

I would suggest legally @jazzy would have a decent legal opinion on this?

 

[Harryflashman]

I think that the key word here is "someone".

If "someone" told you online to jump in front of a bus or off a cliff...is it 'reasonable' to charge a random stranger with that in comparison to "someone" who has personal or professional 'sway' and influence over you and is capable of making you do such a thing?

I would suggest legally @jazzy would have a decent legal opinion on this?

I mean you haven’t answered the question , on what you think .

I’m not legally qualified but I can help with the legality it’s an offence of a writing a post on social media with intent to stir up racial hatred . I know this because not only was a person arrested for it , and get this , they pleaded guilty to it. If you’ve ever been unfortunate to go through the legal system it’s not like the US and there are no deals . The repercussions of any actions you take are explained to you .

 

[Zatara]

I mean you haven’t answered the question , on what you think .

I’m not legally qualified but I can help with the legality it’s an offence of a writing a post on social media with intent to stir up racial hatred . I know this because not only was a person arrested for it , and get this , they pleaded guilty to it. If you’ve ever been unfortunate to go through the legal system it’s not like the US and there are no deals . The repercussions of any actions you take are explained to you .

I would say that if the law is in place and it is clearly legally defined along with what the possible punishments will be, then my opinion would be that it should be across the board.

Meaning anyone from any racial background should be subject to those laws.

Its a very dangerous precedent as you would find a huge number of online posts which would be anti-white, anti-muslim, anti-black anti-asian and pretty much anti-anything and anyone. If they are inciting racial hatred and suchlike but no one takes any action, are they any less dangerous?

Possibly the motive could be there -- how to define that? Or was the person ranting or unstable or who knows what?

I posted last week about a police officer posting anti-white comments online...from the article, she expects to keep her job in London. We've seen this stuff in the news where a slap on the wrist is given to some but for others they go to jail -- its madness.

To sidestep a little here, what made me incredibly frustrated were the jewish people being stopped by the police and being questioned and stopped when there were anti-jew / anti-israel demonstrations where people were literally waving ISIS and other known terror flags & chanting pro terror group phrases and anti-israel (which can be construed as racist to jews) shouting...

...have those people (and there were huge amounts) been arrested, quickly sentenced and outed in the media?

Clearly whether online or in person it should be equal and, i could be wrong here but I have not seen that in the media which is all i have to go on.