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The interesting thing about the Major period is that Major himself came across as having something approaching honour, but the party itself was a mess
That being said, you still had a handful of One Nation Conservatives within the party who at least didn't come across as absolute amoral weapons (even if you didn't agree with their politics)
I can't think of a single redeemable Tory any more. Where are the Ken Clarke's of this Tory party? They're all awful
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They were motivated by the global financial crash, blamed labour and welcomed austerity. Took a hit to the wallet and decided en masse to chuck the following generations under the bus. And still, even now, there's no contrition. The mystique and sorcery of boris isn't done yet, truss kicked the country in the balls, sunak parachuted in to 'save the day', these are gonna get creamed in a GE and then it'll happen... the prodigal sons return, liked a pint with uncle nigel you know.... a great bunch of dunces.
Johnson kicked them all out.
Major's economic policies seemed unfeasibly evil at the time and hurt loads of people, but he was public service minded, to give him his due. He wasn't like this lot, although his party was just as full of sleaze and infighting.
Doesn't he have blood on his hands as justice secretary? I know there's something, some pretty minor expenses stuff, oh. Involved with the tainted blood scandal. screw him into the ground!
Kenneth Clarke's comments that immigrants make Britain “far more exciting and healthier” are likely to anger Downing Street, but it is not the first time he has caused controversy.
Here are ten other famous gaffes and indiscretions:
Ukip
Mr Clarke angered Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, last year after he called their candidates “clowns” and “indignant, angry people”.
During an interview on Sky News Mr Clarke referred to comments made by David Cameron in 2006 when he dismissed Ukip as being full of “fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists”.
He said: “I’ve met people who satisfy both those descriptions in UKIP. Indeed some of the people who assure me that they are going to vote UKIP I would put into that category. And I rather suspect that they have never voted for me.”
Rape
Mr Clarke faced calls to resign after suggesting that date rape is not always “rape”.
He told a BBC Radio Five Live programme in May 2011: “Assuming that you and I are taking about rape in the ordinary conversational sense, some man has forcefully…”
The presenter, Victoria Derbyshire, interjected: “Rape is rape.”
But Mr Clarke replied: “No It’s not.
“If an 18-year-old has sex with a 15-year-old and she is perfectly willing that is rape, because she is under age, she can’t consent, anybody who has sex with a 15 year old it’s rape.
“But what you and I are talking about is a man forcefully having sex with a woman and she doesn’t want to, that is rape, a serious crime, of course it’s a serious crime.”
The veil
In November last year Mr Clarke said the veil was a "kind of bag".
He said women giving evidence in court should not be able to wear the veil because it is almost impossible to have a proper trial.
''I don't think a witness should be allowed to give evidence from behind a veil," he told BBC Radio 4's World This Weekend.
''It's almost impossible to have a proper trial if one of the persons (is) in a kind of bag.''
The fascist invitation
While still a law student at Cambridge, Mr Clarke joined the Conservative Party, and was chairman of the Cambridge University Conservative Association.
Controversially, he invited Sir Oswald Mosley, the former British fascist leader, to speak, leading some Jewish students - including a young Michael Howard, his future successor at the Home Office - to resign from the association in protest.
The ambulance crews
Mr Clarke sailed along without too many problems until January 1990, when he angered many by saying that ambulance crews without training as paramedics "are professional drivers, a worthwhile job – but not an exceptional one".
'Bankrupt Britain'
In January 2009, he contradicted his party leader, David Cameron, to pour cold water on his claims that Britain could go bankrupt. Mr Cameron had said that "at some point... the money will run out" but Mr Clarke said: "I don't think it's a realistic possibility."
'Right-wing nationalist'
That same month, he suggested that Barack Obama, the US President, might see Mr Cameron as too much of a "right-wing nationalist" for his liking.
Inheritance tax
Two months later, he announced that the party's flagship cuts in inheritance tax were no longer "a priority", leading to accusations of "disarray" among Tories from Labour.
Expenses 'flipping'
During the Expenses Scandal, unearthed by the Daily Telegraph, he avoided paying the full rate of council tax on either of his two homes by "flipping".
Prison numbers
In June 2010, he suggested fewer people should go to prison, warning it was "virtually impossible" to rehabilitate an inmate in less than 12 months.
He suggested a major shift in policy by saying prison was not effective in many cases and was quickly criticised by Tory colleagues keen to retain their reputation as being the party of law and order.
By the end of the year, he had got himself into another tangle over prison numbers. When asked by the BBC's political editor Nick Robinson whether people caught carrying knives illegally could expect a lesser punishment, Mr Clarke said ministers would not insist on “absolute tariffs”, meaning someone caught carrying a knife illegally could get away with a caution.
Typical woke left wing media response.
All the guy did was take his hatred for one person with an immutable and protected characteristic, and apply that to the whole group who share that characteristic.
I can think of 10 million reasons why this shouldn’t be a problem.
All the guy did was take his hatred for one person with an immutable and protected characteristic, and apply that to the whole group who share that characteristic.
I can think of 10 million reasons why this shouldn’t be a problem.
Major was someone who you could disagree with politically, but I never got the impression that he was inherently wicked or amoral in any way
Can't say them same for this lot
tsubaki
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Looking back on it, Major was the last decent PM that this country has had. He was dealt a bad hand by events and his own party but turned the economy around and did nearly all the heavy lifting over peace in NI.
He still did a lot wrong - Rail privatisation, the selling off of defence housing, the start of PFI to name three - but you can at least try to make an argument that he left the country in a better state than he found it. You cannot say that about any of his successors.
In retrospect, has Brown not proven himself to be a fairly stand up guy?
coollino
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The hatred she gets is vile, but let's not pretend it's all from the right. Maybe you can somewhat blame the media, but she has been treated like crap by her own party for ages. It's become more normal to slate her for whatever reason over the last few decades, more than any other politician
Agreed, the media magnified her every slip, and often peppered her with a barrage of questions prompting a slip to then seize upon. It's almost as if that for some reason she was being held to a higher standard than anyone else. That she was an easy target meant corbyn was more easily caught in the flack as well. It played into the hands of the red top reading* edl types that've got to hate something to justify their own existence.
but what about the donors dislike of all black women and calls for Abbott to be shot? even mosley has condemned him.
peteblue
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Never heard of this guy until this, he’s an idiot and should be prosecuted…..
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