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Sunak is a back stabbing, treacherous snake.

I've said it before... he is a boring fence sitter, just trying to keep everybody happy. Today's speech confirms it. You can't keep everybody happy at the best of times; you certainly can't do it with the deeply decisive issues that we currently face...

Pick a side and grow a pair. We need politicians with conviction. True leaders have conviction! Sunak has none.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
There's all manner of stink kicked up whenever suggestions to change the system you openly admit is not fit for purpose are made, and because older people vote more than younger people it never does change. Hence we have this situation where not only have pensioners enjoyed the triple lock during a time when the rest of society has lived through austerity, but the growing number of pensioners has meant that the state pension alone makes up 42% of all welfare spending today. In total nearly £140 billion is spent on pensioner benefits, or roughly 2/3 of the entire NHS budget. This at a time when councils are going bust and cutting back on "discretionary" services, like libraries.

So if pensioners don't like being accused of sucking the rest of the budget dry, perhaps be a little bit more open to actually changing the system and stop kicking up merry hell (as I'm fairly sure you yourself did with regards to the pension reforms Macron wants to introduce in France?) whenever the very mention of changing the golden goose is made.
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Was a different angle I'm a little surprised you didn't pursue here, in that social care which eventually steps in to provide for pensioners when ill and towards the end of life, is an ever growing cost that has to be met somehow.
A great deal of headlines was made out of repossession of old folks houses which was done to part fund their respective care.

A discussion about services has to be had, but any alteration to the status quo will endure kickback, for instance look at the bribery to get the pension reforms through, and still the waspi fight goes on, when working contracts are altered there'll always be a loser, and that hideously badly handled fight was just the tip of the iceberg.
 
Mr. White said:
Sunak is a back stabbing, treacherous snake.

I've said it before... he is a boring fence sitter, just trying to keep everybody happy. Today's speech confirms it. You can't keep everybody happy at the best of times; you certainly can't do it with the deeply decisive issues that we currently face...

Pick a side and grow a pair. We need politicians with conviction. True leaders have conviction! Sunak has none.
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found guilty of only one lock down breach and one for no seatbelt on. So far as convictions go.

as for the back stabbing and snake stuff, there's another foghorn leghorn been bellowing that for a while already.
 
tsubaki said:
I think that was what he was trying to say with that bit around "we will back the police", but obviously didn't want to get into legal bother never mind have responsibility for that so couldn't.

In terms of what he was claiming to say, yes we absolutely have to stop divisive extremism. I won't hold my breath for him to do something about GB News, the right wing press generally, social media or all the money flowing into political activity to push the likes of the Tufton Street mob, Yaxley-Lennon and the rest.
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If our PM wants to "back the police", the PM should back the Home Secretary. Sunak didn't. He sacked her...

As for the rest of your post, if you think they are examples of divisive extremism, then you have lead a very sheltered life...
 
Mr. White said:
If our PM wants to "back the police", the PM should back the Home Secretary. Sunak didn't. He sacked her...

As for the rest of your post, if you think they are examples of divisive extremism, then you have lead a very sheltered life...
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Well, for a start the Home Secretary is not the police - so backing her would make no sense when she was encouraging lawbreaking.

With regards to the rest, what other divisive extremism have you experienced in this country, then?
 
Bruce Wayne said:
There's all manner of stink kicked up whenever suggestions to change the system you openly admit is not fit for purpose are made, and because older people vote more than younger people it never does change. Hence we have this situation where not only have pensioners enjoyed the triple lock during a time when the rest of society has lived through austerity, but the growing number of pensioners has meant that the state pension alone makes up 42% of all welfare spending today. In total nearly £140 billion is spent on pensioner benefits, or roughly 2/3 of the entire NHS budget. This at a time when councils are going bust and cutting back on "discretionary" services, like libraries.

So if pensioners don't like being accused of sucking the rest of the budget dry, perhaps be a little bit more open to actually changing the system and stop kicking up merry hell (as I'm fairly sure you yourself did with regards to the pension reforms Macron wants to introduce in France?) whenever the very mention of changing the golden goose is made.
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And yet... despite this, we still have high rates of pensioner poverty.

ageing-better.org.uk

50 years of progress against pensioner poverty under threat, warns new State of Ageing report

Today we launch our fourth annual State of Ageing report which brings together realms of data and analysis to paint a detailed picture of our ageing population and how it is changing.
ageing-better.org.uk ageing-better.org.uk

Maybe the answer is means testing. It would certainly fit the mindset of those in here who like to espouse personal responsibility. Although, I think we might start to see some more comfortable with calling others scroungers.

Complex issue tbf.
 
Daveysgingerlovechild said:
And yet... despite this, we still have high rates of pensioner poverty.

ageing-better.org.uk

50 years of progress against pensioner poverty under threat, warns new State of Ageing report

Today we launch our fourth annual State of Ageing report which brings together realms of data and analysis to paint a detailed picture of our ageing population and how it is changing.
ageing-better.org.uk ageing-better.org.uk

Maybe the answer is means testing. It would certainly fit the mindset of those in here who like to eschew personal responsibility. Although, I think we might start to see some more comfortable with calling others scroungers.

Complex issue tbf.
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I believe atos are now looking for work...
 
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