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[Thomasc]

You are a sad person, eaten by your own insecurity and lack of humour, you really need to put the keyboard down, go outside, go the pub, and get a life……

You have no idea of anything about me, you jibbering mess of a human.

 

[peteblue]

You have no idea of anything about me, you jibbering mess of a human.

Of course I don’t, well apart from you being humourless……

 

[Blue 1]

House of Lords votes to delay Rishi Sunak’s Rwanda treaty – as it happened

Peers vote 214-171 to delay bill to allow more time for scrutiny

www.theguardian.com

Poor Nige

A broken clock is right twice a day, then.

He's just being a bitter turd because he didn't get what he wanted.

He would sell his own granny to be Lord Farage of Twattington.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

They do, but I think it’s a mistake for politicians to see them as a monolithic bloc that must be appeased.

Explain to them why the triple lock is going to be broken - to boost defence spending, help homebuilding and/or help create jobs etc - and almost all of them would accept it.

I don't know. Maybe, as you say, it's that things aren't explained very well but I remember the common narrative whenever the issue is raised is that people have paid in all their lives and shouldn't have the terms changed. That doesn't suggest a great deal of understanding.

 

[peteblue]

That's the kind of lazy logic that doesn't help matters (IMO), which given that he has been around the political world quite a lot when he advised Corbyn he should know better. A couple of things, for instance, would see debt going up for "any" government. The first of these, is obviously Covid, which saw a huge investment by the government alongside a drop in tax income as large chunks of the economy shut down. The second major trend is a demographic one. It was posted a day or so ago that the vast majority of social spending these days is on pensions. There isn't a single political party that dares raising the retirement age or breaking the triple lock, so we're going to get ever greater proportions of social spending going on pensioners as they live longer and retire in greater numbers. And lastly, of course, the invasion of Ukraine has triggered an inflationary period that will see everything cost more, which I'd imagine will see debt rise.

I don't know how much those things contribute to the growth outlined in that tweet, but I'd imagine they contribute a fair chunk. That's not to let this abominable government off the hook as they have been truly dreadful, but I'd expect more from a supposed academic than his lazy reasoning.

Far too much rationality and sense for most of the posters in here. Covid, reduction in tax revenue, pensions, bah humbug…what about Brexit, Boris’ birthday cake, a picture of the queen wearing a face mask, you need to get with the themes.

Meanwhile back in the real world, it’ll be interesting to see how the next Starmer government deals with this, apart from doing what every change of government does by blaming the previous one……

 

[peteblue]

Some of the graphs shed a little bit of light…

UK Government spending - real and as % of GDP - Economics Help

Data and charts to show trends in government spending - real spending, as a % of GDP and how government spending is distributed throughout different areas of public spending. (health/education,benefits/pensions)

www.economicshelp.org

 

[Rita_Poon]

Hardship deepens as millions find the poverty line further out of reach

Millions of people on the lowest incomes would need to double their income just to escape poverty.

www.jrf.org.uk

so much for rationality and sense. but starmer had a beer though, but blair in iraq though, but Brown sold that gold though, but but whataboutery though.

"but but but, I'm on the side of kids though, except when it comes to feeding them..."

 

[Bruce Wayne]

that's expenditure not age. the tories are doing their bit i suppose by reducing life expectancy.
people cant keep working til they drop, 68 is the maximum people should be expected to work to.

Seems a bit broad brush when Joe Biden is over 80 and the "average" age of a CEO is just a shade under 60 (with a decent number over 65). Of course, this won't be the case for many professions, but equally, for many, there isn't any physical toll to speak of. There are also many mental health benefits from continuing to work, whether in terms of your social network or your identity. Given that we won't hit 68 as the retirement age for another 20 years, you might reasonably expect the life expectancy to be higher by then, and certainly the healthy life expectancy.

 

[Walken]

Kinell, Bruce would have poor boxer up earlier and earlier to build that windmill, 'it's for your own good and the good of all' exclaimed napoleon wayne

 

[COYBL25]

Seems a bit broad brush when Joe Biden is over 80 and the "average" age of a CEO is just a shade under 60 (with a decent number over 65). Of course, this won't be the case for many professions, but equally, for many, there isn't any physical toll to speak of. There are also many mental health benefits from continuing to work, whether in terms of your social network or your identity. Given that we won't hit 68 as the retirement age for another 20 years, you might reasonably expect the life expectancy to be higher by then, and certainly the healthy life expectancy.

A lot of older fellas I`ve worked with over the years, seemed to have died pretty soon after they`ve retired. Quite a few of them almost had to be forced to retire too and clung on until the bitter end, causing all kinds of promotion problems for people below them, as they effectively blocked the promotion of people for years by refusing to go.

It`s almost like once the stimulus of working is taken away, combined with their loss of identity and all of a sudden not knowing what to do with themselves, their body decides to give up - I`m sure there`s probably studies on it somewhere.

For some reason, this doesn`t seen to happen to women though ?

 

[JimmyJeffers]

A lot of older fellas I`ve worked with over the years, seemed to have died pretty soon after they`ve retired. Quite a few of them almost had to be forced to retire too and clung on until the bitter end, causing all kinds of promotion problems for people below them, as they effectively blocked the promotion of people for years by refusing to go.

It`s almost like once the stimulus of working is taken away, combined with their loss of identity and all of a sudden not knowing what to do with themselves, their body decides to give up - I`m sure there`s probably studies on it somewhere.

For some reason, this doesn`t seen to happen to women though ?

Can imagine it’s tough for certain people. You’d have to try and keep yourself busy. Have some side projects if possible.
Could easily slip into a routine of inaction.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

A lot of older fellas I`ve worked with over the years, seemed to have died pretty soon after they`ve retired. Quite a few of them almost had to be forced to retire too and clung on until the bitter end, causing all kinds of promotion problems for people below them, as they effectively blocked the promotion of people for years by refusing to go.

It`s almost like once the stimulus of working is taken away, combined with their loss of identity and all of a sudden not knowing what to do with themselves, their body decides to give up - I`m sure there`s probably studies on it somewhere.

For some reason, this doesn`t seen to happen to women though ?

I'm being pretty broad brush here, but in terms of mental health, it's pretty well established that women form networks quite naturally and are happy to chat whenever, whereas men only really meet to chat around a particular activity. Obviously work would be a pretty major such activity, so if that's stripped away

 

[Goat]

A lot of older fellas I`ve worked with over the years, seemed to have died pretty soon after they`ve retired. Quite a few of them almost had to be forced to retire too and clung on until the bitter end, causing all kinds of promotion problems for people below them, as they effectively blocked the promotion of people for years by refusing to go.

It`s almost like once the stimulus of working is taken away, combined with their loss of identity and all of a sudden not knowing what to do with themselves, their body decides to give up - I`m sure there`s probably studies on it somewhere.

For some reason, this doesn`t seen to happen to women though ?

My Father in Law is 72 this year, still travels all over the world for work, down to London every week.

He has a very bad back, can only see out of 1 eye properly, hes an utter menace on the roads.

He was a Docker back in the day, my Wife tells me stories about how much they struggled when she was younger, I think that factors into why hes still working himself to death. But as you say, if he stopped......

 

[COYBL25]

I'm being pretty broad brush here, but in terms of mental health, it's pretty well established that women form networks quite naturally and are happy to chat whenever, whereas men only really meet to chat around a particular activity. Obviously work would be a pretty major such activity, so if that's stripped away

Another thing I`ve noticed, is that over the past few years at running events, is lots of sixty something runners of both sexes, some of them competing at the higher end of the field too. I`m sure cycling will be the same ?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Another thing I`ve noticed, is that over the past few years at running events, is lots of sixty something runners of both sexes, some of them competing at the higher end of the field too. I`m sure cycling will be the same ?

Oh for sure. I'm 44 and I'd say I'm about average age in my cycling club, with a fair few that bit older. There aren't really many 20 year olds.