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Sunak blurting on about "will of the people"... Was not even a manifesto pledge this bill. He better get on and attain permission of the people then as there is no time left in this parliament to get this through,
Conservatives are literally like slugs over salt on this.

100%, but look at the people who’ve been awarded peerages these past twenty odd years. I’m struggling to think of one person who deserved it, and plenty who embarrass the chamber simply by being there.

Sack most of the life peers, keep the hereditaries and the CofE bishops, add some more clergy (the heads of the Catholic and the various Orthodox dominions, the Chief Rabbi and find some other way of making sure Muslim, Hindu and Sikh representatives get in) and then have genuinely independent selection of people who could bring expert knowledge in and it would be a far better chamber.

I mean Claire Fox? Woodcock? That lot don’t deserve that honour.
 

Borrow money to give to their mates for either non existent or substandard services (at a premium) which we have to pay back.

When you hear Michael Marmot laying out how they have taken us into Victorian levels of poverty that d#iseases not seen since those earlier times are making a come back. We really are the poor man of Europe.

Scandalous!
 

That's the kind of lazy logic that doesn't help matters (IMO), which given that he has been around the political world quite a lot when he advised Corbyn he should know better. A couple of things, for instance, would see debt going up for "any" government. The first of these, is obviously Covid, which saw a huge investment by the government alongside a drop in tax income as large chunks of the economy shut down. The second major trend is a demographic one. It was posted a day or so ago that the vast majority of social spending these days is on pensions. There isn't a single political party that dares raising the retirement age or breaking the triple lock, so we're going to get ever greater proportions of social spending going on pensioners as they live longer and retire in greater numbers. And lastly, of course, the invasion of Ukraine has triggered an inflationary period that will see everything cost more, which I'd imagine will see debt rise.

I don't know how much those things contribute to the growth outlined in that tweet, but I'd imagine they contribute a fair chunk. That's not to let this abominable government off the hook as they have been truly dreadful, but I'd expect more from a supposed academic than his lazy reasoning.
 
That's the kind of lazy logic that doesn't help matters (IMO), which given that he has been around the political world quite a lot when he advised Corbyn he should know better. A couple of things, for instance, would see debt going up for "any" government. The first of these, is obviously Covid, which saw a huge investment by the government alongside a drop in tax income as large chunks of the economy shut down. The second major trend is a demographic one. It was posted a day or so ago that the vast majority of social spending these days is on pensions. There isn't a single political party that dares raising the retirement age or breaking the triple lock, so we're going to get ever greater proportions of social spending going on pensioners as they live longer and retire in greater numbers. And lastly, of course, the invasion of Ukraine has triggered an inflationary period that will see everything cost more, which I'd imagine will see debt rise.

I don't know how much those things contribute to the growth outlined in that tweet, but I'd imagine they contribute a fair chunk. That's not to let this abominable government off the hook as they have been truly dreadful, but I'd expect more from a supposed academic than his lazy reasoning.

the tories have continually raised the retirement age.
 
That's the kind of lazy logic that doesn't help matters (IMO), which given that he has been around the political world quite a lot when he advised Corbyn he should know better. A couple of things, for instance, would see debt going up for "any" government. The first of these, is obviously Covid, which saw a huge investment by the government alongside a drop in tax income as large chunks of the economy shut down. The second major trend is a demographic one. It was posted a day or so ago that the vast majority of social spending these days is on pensions. There isn't a single political party that dares raising the retirement age or breaking the triple lock, so we're going to get ever greater proportions of social spending going on pensioners as they live longer and retire in greater numbers. And lastly, of course, the invasion of Ukraine has triggered an inflationary period that will see everything cost more, which I'd imagine will see debt rise.

I don't know how much those things contribute to the growth outlined in that tweet, but I'd imagine they contribute a fair chunk. That's not to let this abominable government off the hook as they have been truly dreadful, but I'd expect more from a supposed academic than his lazy reasoning.

The pension one really should be dealt with; the logic is unarguable and the fairness is as well (given that their parents never got this, nor are their children going to get it).
 
Here is the report discussed earlier.


Some further soundbites from the interview.

“It’s deeply, deeply depressing. It’s grim in the extreme,” the professor of epidemiology and public health at UCL told LBC. “Essentially Britain has become a poor country with a few rich people.”

“The idea we are starting to suffer the same diseases that in Victorian times people in long ocean voyages suffered because the shortage of citrus fruits is simply horrendous,” he said.

He added: “At the very poor end of the distribution it’s worse to be poor in Britain than in most other European countries. Poor people in Britain have a lower income than Slovenia. It really is bad to be poor in Britain.”

We need change and to get a grip.
 
Come now. It's been increased marginally and nowhere near in keeping with the raises in life expectancy (I get that this has dipped a bit recently - see my previous comment on this government being a shambles)

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that's expenditure not age. the tories are doing their bit i suppose by reducing life expectancy.
people cant keep working til they drop, 68 is the maximum people should be expected to work to.
 
They should, but this isn't a British issue specifically. I think most countries struggle with this, not least as older folk everywhere tend to vote.

They do, but I think it’s a mistake for politicians to see them as a monolithic bloc that must be appeased.

Explain to them why the triple lock is going to be broken - to boost defence spending, help homebuilding and/or help create jobs etc - and almost all of them would accept it.
 
You think that’s even remotely funny?

So because you lived and were schooled in a time when resources were fewer, anybody expecting better standards in 2024 is ridiculed.

Do you never tire of making an idiot of yourself you Boris Johnson sycophantic oddball.

You are a sad person, eaten by your own insecurity and lack of humour, you really need to put the keyboard down, go outside, go the pub, and get a life……
 
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