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[Tubey]

 

[davek]

I think she might do it but possibly by a thin enough margin to make it incredibly painful for all concerned.

Enough to hobble on though. She is DETERMINED to cling on.

The maths in that party are in her favour. There is simply no majority there for any rival to galvanise. If she gets, say, 160 MPs supporting her that would be well in excess of what nobheads like Raab, Johnson, Davis, Mogg etc etc could secure.

 

[hallamblue]

Anybody who had any doubt that the Tories, especially those in charge of the Leave campaign, are in it for themselves and not the interests of the country msut have shed that doubt now.

They really do care about nobody but themselves. Just a shame that Corbyn is so feckless. Any half decent Labour leader would be miles ahead in the polls. Christ, I'd even take John McDonnell over Corbyn.

 

[davek]

Anybody who had any doubt that the Tories, especially those in charge of the Leave campaign, are in it for themselves and not the interests of the country msut have shed that doubt now.

They really do care about nobody but themselves. Just a shame that Corbyn is so feckless. Any half decent Labour leader would be miles ahead in the polls. Christ, I'd even take John McDonnell over Corbyn.

Corbyn wants to be in the EU about as much as any Tory Brexiteer. His strategy is to allow Brexit to happen because if the LP get in power they wont be shackled by them. In the meantime, let the Tories own the consequences of Brexit. There'll be a lot of disruption to the economy and they'll pay for it.

Last thing Labour should do now is step in and break up a Tory-on-Tory death struggle. That'd just be naive in the extreme.

 

[arminisgod]

100 of the slugs tweeting their support for May. 58 more to find.

It'd be hilarious if she got them and could stay on for another year.

The absolute carnage in the Tory Party would be hilarious.

What they tweet and what they vote will be 2 entirely different things. Never underestimate a Tory's desire to cling onto power. They will change their minds all day.

I'm still surprised only 100 have publicly backer her...

 

[arminisgod]

Anybody who had any doubt that the Tories, especially those in charge of the Leave campaign, are in it for themselves and not the interests of the country msut have shed that doubt now.

They really do care about nobody but themselves. Just a shame that Corbyn is so feckless. Any half decent Labour leader would be miles ahead in the polls. Christ, I'd even take John McDonnell over Corbyn.

Hang on. 17m people voted to leave and me being one is horrified at how may has done it. Her deal isn't what I voted for or the majority of the 17m other people.

So they are doing what's in MY interest and I'm a Labour party member

 

[davek]

What they tweet and what they vote will be 2 entirely different things. Never underestimate a Tory's desire to cling onto power. They will change their minds all day.

I'm still surprised only 100 have publicly backer her...

Cuts the other way too.

I believe the Tories have a tradition of showing their slips to the 1922 committee before slotting it. So there is an informal mechanism in place to tell if someone's been telling porkies.

 

[hallamblue]

Corbyn wants to be in the EU about as much as any Tory Brexiteer. His strategy is to allow Brexit to happen because if the LP get in power they wont be shackled by them. In the meantime, let the Tories own the consequences of Brexit. There'll be a lot of disruption to the economy and they'll pay for it.

Last thing Labour should do now is step in and break up a Tory-on-Tory death struggle. That'd just be naive in the extreme.

I know what you're saying, but the trouble is that means Labour stands for nothing. Why would you vote for them? The leader is a hard left socialist in denial, hated by at least half of his MPs. The only ounce of credibility comes from John McDonnell, who actually has some plans for investment and to change the way the economy works from the failed austerity rhetoric to investment. And even then, you know the Tories will play the "you can't trust Labour with the economy" card and Corbyn will singularly fail to argue against that because he is useless!!

 

[hallamblue]

Hang on. 17m people voted to leave and me being one is horrified at how may has done it. Her deal isn't what I voted for or the majority of the 17m other people.

So they are doing what's in MY interest and I'm a Labour party member

What did you vote for mate? You voted to leave the EU, we're leaving the EU. You didn't vote for the way in which we leave the EU, that wasn't on the ballot paper. None of the main parties wanted to leave,they think it's a terrible idea. What May is trying to do is leave the EU without destroying the country for the next 25 years, and what thanks is she getting? She's being destroyed by some ideological idiots who still see some mythical deal they wrote on the side of a bus, and by people who still think we don't have to deliver Brexit.

 

[davek]

I know what you're saying, but the trouble is that means Labour stands for nothing. Why would you vote for them? The leader is a hard left socialist in denial, hated by at least half of his MPs. The only ounce of credibility comes from John McDonnell, who actually has some plans for investment and to change the way the economy works from the failed austerity rhetoric to investment. And even then, you know the Tories will play the "you can't trust Labour with the economy" card and Corbyn will singularly fail to argue against that because he is useless!!

...didn't make much diference last election when Corbyn secured pretty much on his own with a more divided LP Labour's best general election result since 2005.

 

[hallamblue]

...didn't make much diference last election when Corbyn secured pretty much on his own with a more divided LP Labour's best general election result since 2005.

That's like getting to the cup final against Plymouth Argyle and only losing on a penalty shootout. FFS even I voted Labour at the last election after 25 years of voting Liberal.

 

[gonetomorrow]

The state we're in is all about the internal wranglings of the Conservative Party. I

It's a crime we don't have a dynamic Labour opposition to take advantage. Say what you will but Tony Blair would be making mincemeat of May and her crew.

 

[tsubaki]

Opposed to Labour who want a general election to sate their personal ambitions of being in power. Brexit has been disastrous due to the personal ambitions of politicians from day one.

Political party in wanting to win election shock.

 

[tsubaki]

If Corbyn metaphorically gets into bed with Foster and her DUP backwoodsmen over this then here is one lifelong Labour voter will not be voting for the party if an election ensues on the back of this ongoing fiasco.

Don’t worry, he won’t.

All he will do is wait until their support drops to the required level (whether that’s after the DUP leave the confidence and supply deal, the ERG refuse to back May / Continuity May or cretins like Soubry finally grow spines) and then strike.

 

[tsubaki]

The state we're in is all about the internal wranglings of the Conservative Party. I

It's a crime we don't have a dynamic Labour opposition to take advantage. Say what you will but Tony Blair would be making mincemeat of May and her crew.

He wouldn’t - don’t forget Major had no majority for the last part of his Premiership, there was no VONC then and very few Government defeats (many fewer than post-2017 anyway).

Of course Blair wanted a GE, which is what the sane people at the top of Labour want, because he knew he would smash them.