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[peteblue]

You're over 50 and still post political crap...

And you are over 50 but really have never grown up…

 

[Goat]

We all came from working class backgrounds, we all had family working on the docks and we all once voted Labour. That however doesn’t change the fact that more people vote Tory than Labour, why ?…….

I dont know, as I said, I dont know anybody that votes for them.

So why do you vote for them?

I vote Labour cos I dont like to see my fellow human suffer.

WBU?

 

[peteblue]

Well said mate, but with some people greed is God and that's all that matters.

No, it’s all about quality of life for everyone. Yet if you point out deprived areas, they have all been Labour run and represented for half a century or more. Why is it that Labour, not since Harold Wilson, never improve the living standards of those they represent ?….

 

[Goat]

No, it’s all about quality of life for everyone. Yet if you point out deprived areas, they have all been Labour run and represented for half a century or more. Why is it that Labour, not since Harold Wilson, never improve the living standards of those they represent ?….

Didnt you make a thread last week complaining that London had its lights on?

lollollollol

 

[peteblue]

I dont know, as I said, I dont know anybody that votes for them.

So why do you vote for them?

I vote Labour cos I dont like to see my fellow human suffer.

WBU?

I always voted Labour and did my bit for the Labour Party, then I had my eyes opened because there was never any improvement for people, just keep everyone down and keep their votes…..

 

[Old Blue 2]

And you are over 50 but really have never grown up…

You can think that if you wish.

Come back at me, Billy Big Bollocks, when you've written/co-written 11 (eleven) books, several magazine articles, and given talks on the main subjects for decades. Aside from carrying through national projects with budgets of £millions to completion in the 1990s while in work.

Never grown up? Don't make me laugh - you are puerile by comparison...

 

[peteblue]

Didnt you make a thread last week complaining that London had its lights on?

lollollollol

Yes I did, and your point is….

 

[Goat]

I always voted Labour and did my bit for the Labour Party, then I had my eyes opened because there was never any improvement for people, just keep everyone down and keep their votes…..

And after 12 years of Tory leadership, how you finding things Peter?

1 The Tories have presided over the longest real wage squeeze in more than 200 years.

2 The Office for Budget Responsibility said the combination of soaring prices and stagnant wages had caused the biggest drop in living standards since 1956.

3 UK workers have lost out on nearly £20,000 in pay – as a result of pay not keeping pace with inflation. UK workers are still earning £60 a month less – in real terms – than in 2008.

4 In 2010, Austerity Chancellor George Osborne introduced a two-year freeze on salary increases for public sector workers earning £21,000 or more. At the time, inflation was 5.1%, which prompted warnings of a "real cut in living standards" for millions of workers.

5 In 2013 Mr Osborne followed up his two-year pay freeze with a 1% cap on public sector pay rises, which would end up lasting until 2017.

6 Nurses’ real pay is down £5,200 compared to 2010

7 An NHS hospital porters’ real pay is down by £2,500 compared to 2010.

8 Maternity care assistants’ real pay is down by £4,300 compared to 2010.

9 Paramedics’ real pay is down by £6,700 compared to 2010.

10 There have also been large real-terms falls in teachers’ pay over the last decade and more particularly for more experienced teachers. According to the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) in 2021, teacher pay levels were about 8% lower in real terms than in 2007, just before the financial crisis.

11 The number of people in poverty in a working household is at a record high, and has risen by 2 million people under the Conservatives from 6.3million to 8.3million

12 The Trades Union Council (TUC) estimates there are 3.6 million people trapped in low-paid insecure work in the UK.

13 A TUC report published this month revealed that insecure work is costing the Treasury £10billion a year in lost tax revenues and higher social security payments.

14 More women are in part-time employment (38% compared with 13% of men) and more women in low-paid jobs (57% of all low paid workers in 2020 were women).

15 The number of people on zero-hours contracts has sky-rocketed to nearly 1 million - compared to just 168,000 in 2010. But the government is still refusing to ban them.

16 The government has blocked efforts by Labour in the Commons to outlaw fire and rehire.

17 Ministers opened a consultation in May 2016 saying tips in restaurants should be “received by workers”, after outrage at chains creaming off some or all of the service charge. Theresa May promised a change “as soon as Parliamentary time allows” in 2018, and Boris Johnson included it in his Queen’s Speech in 2019, but it has yet to appear.

18 In 2015 then-Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt sought to impose new contracts on junior doctors, which would scrap most overtime payments, while giving a modest increase in basic pay. He was accused of "devaluing the vital work junior doctors do at evenings and weekends.”

19 Millions of workers now pay more in tax after Chancellor Rishi Sunak raised National Insurance contributions by 1.25p on April 6 this year.


20 The government has refused to raise sick pay to a decent level. At £96 a week the UK has one of the lowest rates in all of Europe.

21 The government introduced universal credit with a five week wait for families to receive any support. Foodbanks say this is a major reason for the increase in people needing to turn to them to survive.

22 Mr Osborne slashed “work allowances” for working benefit claimants on Universal Credit in 2016, just as millions were beginning to join the new system. Since then Tories have been forced to make a string of announcements making it more generous again.

23 Mr Osborne’s benefit cap, denying additional support for families with more than two children, has left 120,000 households £1,800 worse off.

24 In 2017 Chancellor Philip Hammond persisted with a freeze in working-age benefits, meaning claimants were worse off when inflation - then 2.56% - was taken into account.

25 This year Rishi Sunak scrapped the £20 a week uplift in Universal Credit, introduced as an emergency measure during Covid-19 - leaving claimants more than £1,000 a year worse off.

26 Boris Johnson has so far resisted calls for Free School Meals to be made available to all people claiming Universal Credit. Older pupils are only eligible if their parents receive certain benefits. Families on Universal Credit can only get free school meals if their annual income is less than £7,400 without including benefits.

27 Thousands of disabled people lost out last year when the Government imposed a £70m “stealth cut” to their benefits - going back on a promise to double the minimum PIP award, before claimants are reassessed for benefits, to 18 months. Claimants will continue to have regular reassessments - which on average reduce their benefits.

28 Mr Johnson’s ‘small print’ u-turn on social care costs meant only payments people personally made themselves would count towards the £86k cap - payments made through public funding will not. Andrew Dilnot, the architect of the original policy, warned the change would leave some poorer pensioners facing "catastrophic" costs.

29 Cut central grant funding for local government by £16billion in England over their first nine years in office - a devastating 17% cut, which by 2019 had led to…

30 ...859 children’s centres and 940 youth centres closing their doors after funding was cut by more than two thirds

 

[peteblue]

You can think that if you wish.

Come back at me, Billy Big Bollocks, when you've written/co-written 11 (eleven) books, several magazine articles, and given talks on the main subjects for decades. Aside from carrying through national projects with budgets of £millions to completion in the 1990s while in work.

Never grown up? Don't make me laugh - you are puerile by comparison...

It’s good that you had enough free time to spend writing 11 books and several magazine articles. But you are not the only one who has delivered international presentations and delivered projects, but in Billions not millions.

if you have a constructive point to make, make it, just no need for the aggressive attitude…..

 

[peteblue]

And after 12 years of Tory leadership, how you finding things Peter?

1 The Tories have presided over the longest real wage squeeze in more than 200 years.

2 The Office for Budget Responsibility said the combination of soaring prices and stagnant wages had caused the biggest drop in living standards since 1956.

3 UK workers have lost out on nearly £20,000 in pay – as a result of pay not keeping pace with inflation. UK workers are still earning £60 a month less – in real terms – than in 2008.

4 In 2010, Austerity Chancellor George Osborne introduced a two-year freeze on salary increases for public sector workers earning £21,000 or more. At the time, inflation was 5.1%, which prompted warnings of a "real cut in living standards" for millions of workers.

5 In 2013 Mr Osborne followed up his two-year pay freeze with a 1% cap on public sector pay rises, which would end up lasting until 2017.

6 Nurses’ real pay is down £5,200 compared to 2010

7 An NHS hospital porters’ real pay is down by £2,500 compared to 2010.

8 Maternity care assistants’ real pay is down by £4,300 compared to 2010.

9 Paramedics’ real pay is down by £6,700 compared to 2010.

10 There have also been large real-terms falls in teachers’ pay over the last decade and more particularly for more experienced teachers. According to the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) in 2021, teacher pay levels were about 8% lower in real terms than in 2007, just before the financial crisis.

11 The number of people in poverty in a working household is at a record high, and has risen by 2 million people under the Conservatives from 6.3million to 8.3million

12 The Trades Union Council (TUC) estimates there are 3.6 million people trapped in low-paid insecure work in the UK.

13 A TUC report published this month revealed that insecure work is costing the Treasury £10billion a year in lost tax revenues and higher social security payments.

14 More women are in part-time employment (38% compared with 13% of men) and more women in low-paid jobs (57% of all low paid workers in 2020 were women).

15 The number of people on zero-hours contracts has sky-rocketed to nearly 1 million - compared to just 168,000 in 2010. But the government is still refusing to ban them.

16 The government has blocked efforts by Labour in the Commons to outlaw fire and rehire.

17 Ministers opened a consultation in May 2016 saying tips in restaurants should be “received by workers”, after outrage at chains creaming off some or all of the service charge. Theresa May promised a change “as soon as Parliamentary time allows” in 2018, and Boris Johnson included it in his Queen’s Speech in 2019, but it has yet to appear.

18 In 2015 then-Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt sought to impose new contracts on junior doctors, which would scrap most overtime payments, while giving a modest increase in basic pay. He was accused of "devaluing the vital work junior doctors do at evenings and weekends.”

19 Millions of workers now pay more in tax after Chancellor Rishi Sunak raised National Insurance contributions by 1.25p on April 6 this year.


20 The government has refused to raise sick pay to a decent level. At £96 a week the UK has one of the lowest rates in all of Europe.

21 The government introduced universal credit with a five week wait for families to receive any support. Foodbanks say this is a major reason for the increase in people needing to turn to them to survive.

22 Mr Osborne slashed “work allowances” for working benefit claimants on Universal Credit in 2016, just as millions were beginning to join the new system. Since then Tories have been forced to make a string of announcements making it more generous again.

23 Mr Osborne’s benefit cap, denying additional support for families with more than two children, has left 120,000 households £1,800 worse off.

24 In 2017 Chancellor Philip Hammond persisted with a freeze in working-age benefits, meaning claimants were worse off when inflation - then 2.56% - was taken into account.

25 This year Rishi Sunak scrapped the £20 a week uplift in Universal Credit, introduced as an emergency measure during Covid-19 - leaving claimants more than £1,000 a year worse off.

26 Boris Johnson has so far resisted calls for Free School Meals to be made available to all people claiming Universal Credit. Older pupils are only eligible if their parents receive certain benefits. Families on Universal Credit can only get free school meals if their annual income is less than £7,400 without including benefits.

27 Thousands of disabled people lost out last year when the Government imposed a £70m “stealth cut” to their benefits - going back on a promise to double the minimum PIP award, before claimants are reassessed for benefits, to 18 months. Claimants will continue to have regular reassessments - which on average reduce their benefits.

28 Mr Johnson’s ‘small print’ u-turn on social care costs meant only payments people personally made themselves would count towards the £86k cap - payments made through public funding will not. Andrew Dilnot, the architect of the original policy, warned the change would leave some poorer pensioners facing "catastrophic" costs.

29 Cut central grant funding for local government by £16billion in England over their first nine years in office - a devastating 17% cut, which by 2019 had led to…

30 ...859 children’s centres and 940 youth centres closing their doors after funding was cut by more than two thirds

I’m sure Google will come up with a similar list for every Labour government and I really cba looking. No one is trying to suggest that all is wonderful, governments have to deal with what they are faced with. The current government, and by that I mean the MP’s, have screwed up what was a government dealing with the issues and turned it into one creating the issues, and they will be punished….

 

[Goat]

I’m sure Google will come up with a similar list for every Labour government and I really cba looking. No one is trying to suggest that all is wonderful, governments have to deal with what they are faced with. The current government, and by that I mean the MP’s, have screwed up what was a government dealing with the issues and turned it into one creating the issues, and they will be punished….

So you will vote Labour next election?

 

[peteblue]

So you will vote Labour next election?

I will not be voting for my current Conservative MP under any circumstance. I haven’t as yet met any of the potential other party candidates. I did vote for the last Labour MP and he was very good. So I’ll wait and see….

 

[peteblue]

I will not be voting for my current Conservative MP under any circumstance. I haven’t as yet met any of the potential other party candidates. I did vote for the last Labour MP and he was very good. So I’ll wait and see….

As an addendum to the above, it was a guy called David Taylor, well respected by all, but died of a heart attack prior to the 2010 election….

 

[Old Blue 2]

It’s good that you had enough free time to spend writing 11 books and several magazine articles. But you are not the only one who has delivered international presentations and delivered projects, but in Billions not millions.

if you have a constructive point to make, make it, just no need for the aggressive attitude…..

The research started in 1980. I didn't retire until 2001. A lot of the research there was undertaken while in full-time work. So once again you put your BIG foot in your mouth by getting something wrong 100%.
And since retiring, yes, I have continued the research up to present. Why not? I've got the knowledge of the subject, and many, many thousands of people around the world have benefitted from my published works, and information on internet forums and pages.

And I know I'm not the only one to run projects running into £millions. But when you denigrate me, I advance that particular matter as a certain amount of proof of my capabilities.

I don't have an agressive attitude - that kind of attack/allegation is the refuge of the defeated, and in your case, it most certainly IS!

Don't bother, pete...

 

[dublinbluenose]