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[Kurt.]

It would be nice if they just realised they are paid by taxpayers money to do the best for the whole country and not just to make a few quid for themselves, mostly they’re like a bunch of squabbling kids and real politics gets cast aside.


Basically, we employ them ?‍

 

[Tree13]

I am not a Conservative but can certainly agree with you that those moderate Conservatives have been demonised.

The vast majority of people are decent, fair, just and honest and seek the best for themselves, those close to them and to society as a whole. As per the man in the video.

Right now, the opposition parties should be showing those values and appealing to those that have been let down by the ineptitude and sleaze of the current Conservative government. The Conservative Party would also be wise to cull the current mob in government and start working on this as well.

Agree 100% with you.

 

[Tree13]

It's not an ideal situation that most political victors, of whatever stripe, assume that once in office they only really need to govern for their core voters or those that got them there, when the reality is that they're governing for everyone, even those that didn't support them. That "should" encourage a degree of moderation, but that seldom happens.

Also agree 100% with you!

 

[Moomin]

 

[Kurt.]

They’re a lovely bunch… just misunderstood MP’s trying their best

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I happened to have a chat last night with a couple of Albanian academics at an EU thing. You can perhaps imagine that they're not big fans of the language used by the Tories either.

 

[mahermi1]

Always at odds with each other, always chucking each other under a bus, the Conservative party is an utter shambles and has been unfit to run the Country for years. The only way out and it will take years to turn this mess around is a Labour party government, a new direction. And just to prove I'm not bias, the Tories need to sort themselves out to make themselves an actual party/ team again. I suggest a massive Royal Rumble so all the warring factions can have a fight to the finish.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Fiver on Rayner...

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Always at odds with each other, always chucking each other under a bus, the Conservative party is an utter shambles and has been unfit to run the Country for years. The only way out and it will take years to turn this mess around is a Labour party government, a new direction. And just to prove I'm not bias, the Tories need to sort themselves out to make themselves an actual party/ team again. I suggest a massive Royal Rumble so all the warring factions can have a fight to the finish.

It needs a change in the narrative around immigration from across the board. I know this data comes from Migration Watch, who are generally turds, but there "are" a lot of people who overstay their visas, and this number is nearly always much greater than asylum seekers arriving on boats.

UK visa overstays double in five years, report claims

Anti-immigrant think tank Migration Watch UK claims that UK visa overstayer numbers have doubled in past five years. Full story, here.

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The thing is, I personally couldn't give two hoots about that, whereas Braverman and her ilk clearly think that people who were deemed fine via the watertight "points based immigration system" suddenly become utter swines after their visa runs out. It's an administrative thing. Nothing more, and we need more people saying that rather than trying to demonise people.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Fiver on Rayner...

Would she be wearing lycra? Asking for, erm, someone

 

[Moomin]

I happened to have a chat last night with a couple of Albanian academics at an EU thing. You can perhaps imagine that they're not big fans of the language used by the Tories either.

The likes of Farage and his ilk have demonised the Albanians and trying to overcook the numbers and claim the majority of the small boat people are from Albania for the whole year when it was in fact one month.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The likes of Farage and his ilk have demonised the Albanians and trying to overcook the numbers and claim the majority of the small boat people are from Albania for the whole year when it was in fact one month.

It's the snidey way in which a whole people are referred to. It seems to be an acceptable form of racism.

 

[edge]

It needs a change in the narrative around immigration from across the board. I know this data comes from Migration Watch, who are generally turds, but there "are" a lot of people who overstay their visas, and this number is nearly always much greater than asylum seekers arriving on boats.

UK visa overstays double in five years, report claims

Anti-immigrant think tank Migration Watch UK claims that UK visa overstayer numbers have doubled in past five years. Full story, here.

workpermit.com

The thing is, I personally couldn't give two hoots about that, whereas Braverman and her ilk clearly think that people who were deemed fine via the watertight "points based immigration system" suddenly become utter swines after their visa runs out. It's an administrative thing. Nothing more, and we need more people saying that rather than trying to demonise people.

It's one soundbite after another with them, same result we get more migration, we need it in certain areas and have failed to do it , and of cause we have a moral right to take others in from war ect.
But in reality who is checking anybody that gets in?
Only the people that get in legal are under any threat of getting caught out.
Whole issue needs looking at sensibly.
This lot will not do it.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's one soundbite after another with them, same result we get more migration, we need it in certain areas and have failed to do it , and of cause we have a moral right to take others in from war ect.
But in reality who is checking anybody that gets in?
Only the people that get in legal are under any threat of getting caught out.
Whole issue needs looking at sensibly.
This lot will not do it.

I'm not sure people need checking tbh, but if that is really necessary then the best approach is to have way more routes of applying. The traffickers only have a business because people have no alternative. One would think after several million people died and an economy was ruined, western governments would shy away from Soviet-era collectivism, but when it comes to "managed migration" the state seems to think it can centrally manage the labour market. It's really incredibly daft logic based on nothing more than fear of "the other" which forces them to have to do something because they've whipped up foreigners to be a bogeyman that we need protecting from.

You're a good union man Edge, so I'm sure if one of your members was prevented from getting another job because their residence was tied to it, you might argue that was abhorrent. Heck, you might be even more inclined to think so if they happened to lose their job and no longer retained any right to live where they live. You might similarly think it wrong that someone's employment status is rigorously checked before they're offered a house to rent or given hospital treatment, and yet these are common occurrences for people on a visa.

I was looking at some Italian research recently (https://academic.oup.com/restud/advance-article/doi/10.1093/restud/rdac003/6527647?login=false if you're interested), and it comes to the not unsurprising conclusion that if we want migrants to thrive then they need certainty about their future. It's logical because we'd want exactly the same for us, yet most migrants are denied that because their status is tied to certain conditions which are, by their very nature, far from certain. It's no way to treat people.

 

[edge]

I'm not sure people need checking tbh, but if that is really necessary then the best approach is to have way more routes of applying. The traffickers only have a business because people have no alternative. One would think after several million people died and an economy was ruined, western governments would shy away from Soviet-era collectivism, but when it comes to "managed migration" the state seems to think it can centrally manage the labour market. It's really incredibly daft logic based on nothing more than fear of "the other" which forces them to have to do something because they've whipped up foreigners to be a bogeyman that we need protecting from.

You're a good union man Edge, so I'm sure if one of your members was prevented from getting another job because their residence was tied to it, you might argue that was abhorrent. Heck, you might be even more inclined to think so if they happened to lose their job and no longer retained any right to live where they live. You might similarly think it wrong that someone's employment status is rigorously checked before they're offered a house to rent or given hospital treatment, and yet these are common occurrences for people on a visa.

I was looking at some Italian research recently (https://academic.oup.com/restud/advance-article/doi/10.1093/restud/rdac003/6527647?login=false if you're interested), and it comes to the not unsurprising conclusion that if we want migrants to thrive then they need certainty about their future. It's logical because we'd want exactly the same for us, yet most migrants are denied that because their status is tied to certain conditions which are, by their very nature, far from certain. It's no way to treat people.

If we ask people to come here mate you will get no argument from me they should be treated with respect, its in nobody's intrest if they are not allowed to become Valued members of society
What's the alternative?
Make an underclass, with no alternative but to turn to crime ect , work in sweatshops ect and the like.
Ps i have long flavoured the idea of a national I'd card so it's not just them I would be checking, I would be after you all?