The case for Silva

[Lanolin]

If the keeper is part of the problem for some how can you support a manager who keeps picking him?

Well they're all part of the problem. Every single one of them. I can't really blame Silva for concluding that Pickford is better than Stekelenburg though.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

Koeman: many on here were very disgruntled with Koeman first half of his first season; my stated p.ov. was that any Everton manager gets a season plus (as long as not a complete disaster threatening our PL status). Allardyce was always short term anyway, so there's no point making any comparison with him.

I dont like to see managers go, funnily enough. I gave Moyes total support too. They have to show very bad attitude and a disrespect of us to get me to a point whereby I want them out.

Out of both cups early and mid table mediocrity isn't a total disaster but doesn't fill me with optimism.
Players form dropping ditto.

 

[ijjysmith]

Well they're all part of the problem. Every single one of them. I can't really blame Silva for concluding that Pickford is better than Stekelenburg though.

If Pickford is in that bad a form he needs dropping. Like any other player. Walcott. Or Tosun. Not like their replacements are any good either.

 

[ForeverEverton]

What the point generally is , away from the fairly obvious points with Silva, there are quite a few factors that limit what he can do.

Not the perennial issues like set pieces, that is on him at the end of the day. But having a reduced squad due to the sheer amount of players not even considered for the team due to poor performances. We need him to change things for example but have over a third of the squad who would play worse than the ones they would be replacing for example.

But this is just a discussion piece, not entirely supporting the manager. Simply considering the alternative view.

Allardyce got us 8th, Silva has added Mina, Digne, Richarlison, Zouma and Gomes yet we are going to finish in the bottom half and we are now 16 points behind last seasons total, I`m not sure we are getting anywhere near that!

 

[ijjysmith]

The fact is Silva constantly keeps saying that this seasons ‘Target’ was to simply be better than last season.

Seems a fairly sensible target seeing as we were never getting top 4 in a million years.

However he is going to fail his target isn’t he?

Then he should be fired.

 

[Lanolin]

If Pickford is in that bad a form he needs dropping. Like any other player. Walcott. Or Tosun. Not like their replacements are any good either.

I'm not sure he is in that bad form to be honest, I just don't think he's very good. He's undoubtedly better than Stekelenburg though in my opinion, so I'm not going to criticise him for making a decision I agree with.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Allardyce got us 8th, Silva has added Mina, Digne, Richarlison, Zouma and Gomes yet we are going to finish in the bottom half and we are now 16 points behind last seasons total, I`m not sure we are getting anywhere near that!

You forgot Bernard as well mate.

 

[ijjysmith]

I'm not sure he is in that bad form to be honest, I just don't think he's very good. He's undoubtedly better than Stekelenburg though in my opinion, so I'm not going to criticise him for making a decision I agree with.

Perhaps not for you mate then. I don’t think he’s that bad either. But some definitely do. But yet support the manager picking him.

 

[HKIV]

All our best players were bought in the last window so his recruitment is good which puts him ahead of Martinez/Koeman/Allardyce.

Our attacking play and open play defence stats were very good before Pickfordgate

He at least recognises there are problems and seems to be willing to change the undroppables in the team.

Davies Kenny Keane Calvert Lewin Lookman Siggurdson have improved their game from last season (although whether the level is good enough is another question)

That’s about all I have so far but after last season I suppose you can say it’s been marginal improvement. If he finishes strongly and consolidates top half then a good window over the summer we could be ready to put in a proper go at the top 6 next sson.

How on Gods earth if in your opinion we have bought several good players in the summer and he has improved 6 others are we in a worse spot than last year.

The only possible reason can be that the manager is a million miles above his head.

Please you honestly need medical help with delusional thoughts.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

But you both applaud the gamble to take a young manager like Silva on and condemn him for not having any credentials/profile!

I understand the massive reservations around Silva given his experience in England so far. But he's Everton's manager now, and we have a club that is at a crossroads where its hierarchy have decided to go down the road against managerial short termism. It would be ludicrous if the owner and DoF now did a 180 and dismissed him. A club already a confused mess would be hard pressed to sell a convincing narrative to its own fans about the journey it's taking us on.

Nope. Read what I said again. 'I admired the gamble because it showed Moshiri had some longer term thinking for once rather than flavour of the month and wasn't discouraged by his collapse at Watford'

In other words, I had reservations towards Moshiri going for flavour of the months and it showed he wasn't just going after Silva originally because he was flavour of the month at Watford (like Koeman was at Southampton and Walsh at Leicester). I figured the club saw something significant in him beyond a decent handful of games.

I think making the call before the end of the season is premature, although I accept it hasn't looked good for some time now.

Completely agree mate.

Wouldn't now, but he's on a hiding to nothing when the board assess him at the end of the season. He hasn't shown anything to suggest he's worth any more of a gamble.

 

[BillBrasky]

No problem keeping him on to the end of the season, if he's willing to change a few things.

1. Sit Siggy or scrap the 4-3-3/4-2-3-1. They are not compatible.
2. Stop playing a suicidal high line. None of our three CB's (including two brought in by Silva) have the elite pace to play it.
3. Fix set pieces. ASAP. Even if it means going to man marking. If you allow more than two set pieces goals the rest of the season than you are gone in May. Its pathetic.

If he can agree to those three changes, he can stay. If not, bin him today.

 

[HKIV]

Koeman: many on here were very disgruntled with Koeman first half of his first season; my stated p.ov. was that any Everton manager gets a season plus (as long as not a complete disaster threatening our PL status). Allardyce was always short term anyway, so there's no point making any comparison with him.

I dont like to see managers go, funnily enough. I gave Moyes total support too. They have to show very bad attitude and a disrespect of us to get me to a point whereby I want them out.

We are a famous football club with a rich history of winning honours.

We have an owner now prepared to invest to see further honours and progress.

You only want to sack an underperfoming manager if he has a bad attitude (like a red christmas tree?) or is disrespectful.

Forgive me but this is the apathetic attitude that has held us in the doldrums for 25 years.

Our motto meant something once. We should be striving for excellence. Be winners. Let the young evertonians taste the incredible buzz that we glowed in in the 80's.

To have that you need to be ruthless with managers and players. Its not like they will be lining up at the food bank.

 

[Kever10]

Senior players underperforming


following on from the above, how many senior players just aren't there for the team? Baines, jagielka , Coleman , Schneiderlin, Walcott alone are all massively underperforming or simply not good enough. 3 of those are captains when available which considering the lack of leadership on the pitch, it's another handicap to not have these players to rely on when things aren't going well. It leaves us without a natural captain on the pitch when those 3 are earmarked for the role.

One of the biggest negatives for me is that he didn't ever make any deal out of the Captain role. He allowed Jagielka to keep Club Captain even when it was clear (by signing 2 CBs) that he would not be in and around the team all that much. When a new manager comes in, the often make a big deal out of who the captain is, backing them, bigging them up, getting someone in, on side who he can use a go between with the rest of the squad. And the number and frequency of different captains we've seen is testament to this. He may not think its a big deal, and many people may agree, but there has been no apparent leader since the season started. Its arguable, with Jagielkas role as captain never being that convincing, that we haven't had 1 since Moyes left, the same season Cahill and Neville did too. And after then losing Howard, Hibbert, Osman, Distin and Barry in the folling 3 years, we lost any and all authority on the pitch. Even Rooney, who could've been a captain people looked up to, was done for drink driving not 2 months after joining, and was then in and out of the side and shifted from 1 position to another. Our lack of a recognisable, definitive captain has undermined our team for years and allowed the behaviour from the likes of Lukaku, Mirallas, Etoo, etc, gone unchallenged and unpunished for far too long.

lack of striker

This was a problem last season but recently it's really shown itself . We have no striker at the club to perform the role effectively enough. Lewen and tosun aren't good enough it's fair to say and that is where it's a hindrance for any manager . Against Watford both of them missed from less than 10 yards out, one would have counted but the point being if you have strikers who miss from that range when you really need a goal then what can a manager really do to win games? Most club's have at least one player who they can rely on in the box , we haven't had one for 2 seasons now.

I genuinely believe that this problem is a symptom of the lack of captain or leader on the pitch too. No one to cajole, encourage, reprimand. For all his faults as a player, Phil Neville was a captain that gave orders and direction. Sometimes it was all he did. But the players knew their roles and knew they would get it if they didn't perform them.

Coaching staff


it's fair to say again we have never had a complete overhaul of our coaching staff since Moyes left. The manager brings his trusted allies in but on the training pitch and throughout the club the coaches have stayed the same. Perhaps this needs to be looked at and changed to see overall improvements throughout the team?

Well, that's not entirely true. Martinez coaching staff was completely different to Moyes. And Fergus on, after being promoted to 1st team coach under Martinez, is the only 1 who has survived under the 3 managers who have followed him. Ebbrell was promoted by Allardyce, not sure if he's still around, but the rest of the coachingbstagmff has been entirely different under all 4 managers following Moyes. Maybe that in itself is to the detriment of the team though.

 

[N0L1M1TK]

This guy isn't good enough. He's cut from the same cloth those that want him to keep this job...weak & pathetic.

The last four managers all with significant flaws, were all far superior to him.

 

[ForeverEverton]

He had a good run prior to December then It went tits.

Exactly what happened with him at Watford.

He also got Hull out of the zone, then they hit a dip and went down! Same keeps happening at 3 clubs, just coincidence maybe?..... No! all these bad stats have transferred from Hull to Watford to Everton, get rid. Quicker the better, I probably couldnt do any worse, Ive got the 1st part of my UEFA B!