The Budget

[Whistlin' Dixie]

They're all valid points, but you're going on about this policy as if it's exclusive to billionaires. It's something to help people save money with the promise of a 'top up' from the government - hardly draconian.

Help who save money?

The low-paid, who can't afford to and some of who rely on foodbanks? Apprentices - on £2.70 an hour?

 

[Donald Twain]

Future generations will thank us for starving so they don't have to.

 

[roydo]

Help who save money?

The low-paid, who can't afford to and some of who rely on foodbanks? Apprentices - on £2.70 an hour?

Those who can squirrel away a tenner a week, like my parents generation did? Like I do in fact.

But I fully expect that to be slammed down as patronising and patting people on the head.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Those who can squirrel away a tenner a week, like my parents generation did? Like I do in fact.

But I fully expect that to be slammed down as patronising and patting people on the head.

Except that doesn't apply to everyone, and certainly a lot less people than your parents' generation.

 

[daylightrobber]

They're all valid points, but you're going on about this policy as if it's exclusive to billionaires. It's something to help people save money with the promise of a 'top up' from the government - hardly draconian.

It's welfare for those who don't need it as much as those who are having their welfare cut.

 

[roydo]

Except that doesn't apply to everyone, and certainly a lot less people than your parents' generation.

Indeed. But it does apply to an awful lot of normal folk, grubbing along ok, and getting a few quid on top of what they put away aint the worst bit of news they had today.

And it only applies to the under 40s or similar iirc.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

It's welfare for those who don't need it as much as those who are having their welfare cut.

Socialism for the well-off, austerity for the poorer.

 

[Mrk]

Help who save money?

The low-paid, who can't afford to and some of who rely on foodbanks? Apprentices - on £2.70 an hour?

Normal, every-day working people? Not all 'low-paid' people rely on foodbanks, there are many people who live in London who receive a decent wage by our standards, but because of the cost of living they could be classed as 'low-paid'. I honestly don't see how encouraging people to save money for their future is a bad thing.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Normal, every-day working people? Not all 'low-paid' people rely on foodbanks, there are many people who live in London who receive a decent wage by our standards, but because of the cost of living they could be classed as 'low-paid'. I honestly don't see how encouraging people to save money for their future is a bad thing.

Is there something wrong with giving them a wage where they don't have to rely (as much) on housing benefits, tax credits, foodbanks etc, so they have enough to save - instead of giving the corporates & wealthiest MORE tax concessions (And free labour from 'workfare')?

 

[daylightrobber]

Normal, every-day working people? Not all 'low-paid' people rely on foodbanks, there are many people who live in London who receive a decent wage by our standards, but because of the cost of living they could be classed as 'low-paid'. I honestly don't see how encouraging people to save money for their future is a bad thing.

It's not. But the folks who can afford to save don't need extra money for saving in the same way. It's deflection politics again. The real issues are lack of affordable housing, high rents and a cost of living crisis manufactured by government so that the flow of money is away from the poor and towards the rich.

 

[Mrk]

It's welfare for those who don't need it as much as those who are having their welfare cut.

Who are these people you speak of? I have friends and family who earn very little who use ISA's to save what little they can so they can do horrific things like buy a house or have a child. I mean, they don't need any help, do they?

And I'm explicitly not saying they deserve help more than any other group of people, but they certainly don't deserve to be ignored.

 

[roydo]

Is there something wrong with giving them a wage where they don't have to rely (as much) on housing benefits, tax credits, foodbanks etc, so they have enough to save - instead of giving the corporates & wealthiest MORE tax concessions (And free labour from 'workfare')?

Ah, so increase the minimum wage then reduce said benefits on a pro rata basis say?

 

[Mrk]

Is there something wrong with giving them a wage where they don't have to rely (as much) on housing benefits, tax credits, foodbanks etc, so they have enough to save - instead of giving the corporates & wealthiest MORE tax concessions (And free labour from 'workfare')?

Not at all, but who is suggesting that it is either/or?!

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Who are these people you speak of? I have friends and family who earn very little who use ISA's to save what little they can so they can do horrific things like buy a house or have a child. I mean, they don't need any help, do they?

And I'm explicitly not saying they deserve help more than any other group of people, but they certainly don't deserve to be ignored.

And the bankers use that ISA cash to fund their gambling habit that they have ZERO comeback for when they spunk it on bad spreads...

 

[daylightrobber]

Who are these people you speak of? I have friends and family who earn very little who use ISA's to save what little they can so they can do horrific things like buy a house or have a child. I mean, they don't need any help, do they?

And I'm explicitly not saying they deserve help more than any other group of people, but they certainly don't deserve to be ignored.

The assistance to do those things should be across the board and not at the expense of those who are already least well off. You know, the demographics who are demonised for being a drain on the state.