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edge said:
end of payments to the EU.
autonomy in trade agreements, British sole interests not 27 other members.
skill based immigration policy .
not being under the posted workers directive
end of CAP .
There,s are a few to be going on with just to get the tread going .
lost all will to engage in political debates since Johnson got in myself but the tread was going nowhere so put a few out there.
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Agree with you there. Catastrophic
 
Them absolute detestables from Eastern Europe will stop eating our pike and maybe me and my great grandson can catch more than a highvis vest when throwing the rod into the Mersey.
 
Tubey said:
Seriously, can someone, anyone, make a decent attempt at, say, three substantial benefits of leaving the EU.

Preferably without using the words "taking back control" unless you actually follow that up by defining what that actually means as a benefit.
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Not playing fair there Tubey. Next you’ll be asking them to be open minded.
 
Tubey said:
Thank you. OK, one by one.

1. We end payments but it's more than just that lump cost. EU membership has boosted GDP by approx. 10% for the UK. All serious economists acknowledge that the payments 'saved' won't recoup the costs of leaving. Indeed, it won't be even close.

2. Autonomy of trade doesn't negate the benefit of trading as a bloc and therefore having leverage. It would be a benefit if we struck tariff free trade deals with every nation on earth, but short of that, again, any expert worth their salt knows that an 'independent' UK goes into trade talks at a severe disadvantage after Brexit. It's an advantage only insofar as that we can, with no outside interference, be bent over a barrel and shafted by larger economies. So we're 'independent' in that regard.

3. We already do have a skill based immigration policy for non-EU people, and that makes the majority of our immigration. That said, yes, this is foreseeably one of the only 'benefits' of Brexit - greater control on numbers. That said, there will be a labour shortage once free movement ends, meaning the threshold for skilled workers - currently at £30,000 per annum - will inevitably have to be reduced to closer to 2010 figures at £10,000, simply to attract people we need to keep the economy moving. I predict that migration figures will over the next decade therefore barely change.

4. You need to define why not being in that directive is a good thing. It's as nebulous as 'taking back control'. For me, that directive largely follows common sense and is one of those things you work to reform and iron out faults inside the EU rather than bin off the entire thing.

5. Again, you have to define why ending the CAP is a good thing. Preferably with what the plan is to assist our farmers with subsidies to allow for the end of EU investment.

What I've been desperate for, genuinely, throughout this whole thing is a sort of 'Brexit Manifesto' - where it's laid out why we're leaving and what the benefits are, and why they outdo the benefits of EU membership. You can't hand on heart tell me any such thing exists surely?
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The current financial forecast can only deal with the current model, the cannot factor in what the real tariffs that will exist ,as nobody me included know what they will be in the future, what trade deals will be done and the costs losses or gains to be made from them as at present they don't exist to model them.
I agree using current modelling, it looks like a loss , but they are not factoring in things like costs to the EU will not rise in the future above current levels, and the state of both economies in the future, how the immigration policy works out ect .
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Suppose its about your outlook , i think it would be easier to look after are interests rather than 27 other as well, what benefits say Greece may have no benefit to the UK and could have negative impacts on are economy while benefiting there's.
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It wasn't really a problem for me personally, like yourself was aware that the controls were there if the government had chosen to use them , but in the spirit of the tread i am sure other leaver would have put it up there as a benefit
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On the face of it looks like a leveling out exercise on a brief look at it,
But look at its effects in reality , the Laval case being one to look into, there are others in Germany ect that have had EU rulings on trade union rights ect, all trumped by by the right to freedom of movement when it went to court .
Wages paid to the posted workers in first twelve months ect as against the home country worker ,all worth looking into.

5)
The whole agricultural funding model needs looking a its not fit for purpose, things like tax breaks and government funding going to the land owner rather than the person doing the actual work , producing produce and managing the land.
I don't think for one minute Johnson and co will do this by the way as its their pockets they will stop getting lined with are cash.
one thing that bothers me is whole sections of the sector only exist by getting these grants, normally with something like the communities will collapse ect , but why doesnt that come into play when its say steel workers, suppose that's for another thread.

I don't know if you could get a brexit manifesto, i don't think my view would be the same as say Pete although we are both leavers, the whole thing has been handled badly by all sides.
Hopefully the government will take onboard people's fears and aspirations that exist on both sides going forward as it shouldn't be just we have won, you have lost just suck it up.
To early to see which way it will go in all honesty.
lost all hope politically at present, cant get my brain in gear to engage at any real level to be honest.
 
Catfish Blues said:
The concept of Universal Credit has some merits, but the current implementation, which seems designed to save the state money and punish the poor, is a chuffin' disaster.

If Universal Credit was properly designed, it could streamline the process, make the benefits system simpler and more efficient and return some, if not all of the efficiences into benefits paid and, in a small way, reduce the gap between the haves and the have nots.

It's, quite literally, not rocket science, the technology exists to help deliver a fair version of Universal Credit, but the people running the project are either clueless and/or under instruction to deliver it in a non-equitable way.
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Thank you for the education but it was more about the volume of input to the thread without any benefits being realised. It worked in my mind anyway!
 
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