Current Affairs The benefits of Brexit Page

[NilSatisOptimum]

You miss my point my friend.... for Brexit to really work we need to buy live fish from Europe and set them free in our waters for our own fishermen to catch

They swim the damn things. Foriegn fish polluting our waters, with big gaping mouths and dead eyes, actually they might just fit in with Brexit.

 

[Kurt.]

We won't be part of it any more.

And that benefits us how ?

 

[JammyP]

The main benefit of Brexit is that we will leave the EU.

8:41 "We're here because we're here because we're here because we're here...."

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

I assure you I am not trying to "antagonise" as you put it. The debate regarding in or out, in my view, has finished; we are out, albeit now in a transitional (?) period. The focus now needs to be on what trade deals are to be made, and whether these are going to benefit the country, amongst other issues such as security, immigration etc. Surely people have some idea of how they think the repercussions of leaving, will pan out, and be confident to list the "benefits".

Enough of "sunlit uplands", "oven ready deals".......this is the reality now.

You aren't the author of the thread and I didn't suggest you were being antagonistic but I stand by my view of the primary intention of its creation.

If this is to be the sole thread of Brexit then so be it, otherwise it is annoying as the multiple clones of the identical bed wetting doom threads that are made after every Everton capitulation.

 

[roydo]

We won't be part of it any more.

Unless they brick up the Euro Tunnel, (or what ever its called), we still are. Sort of.

 

[davmaher]

And that benefits us how ?

For the Leave voters I have spoken to the leaving of the EU is all that matters. They don't really care if there are any tangible benefits, they just want out. There is no logic to it, there are no real reasons for it, they just want to leave.

 

[Tea_drinker]

As we are all true Brits who love to queue we can all look forward to spending hours waiting in queues to get visas for our holidays.

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

This was not done to antagonise.
@Joey66 wanted a new thread: in the EU In or Out thread "This thread in or out has to end as we are now IN not relevant - perhaps the thread should concentrate on a now Brexit thread of it's own - we have now left, I understand there will be serious negotiations, but the word IN is now irrelevant ... "

Fair enough, i apologise if I misread the intention but it seemed mischievous.

I don't care about that so much as with multiple threads on the same subject which makes it difficult to follow discussion and debate on a topic.

 

[JammyP]

You aren't the author of the thread and I didn't suggest you were being antagonistic but I stand by my view of the primary intention of its creation.

If this is to be the sole thread of Brexit then so be it, otherwise it is annoying as the multiple clones of the identical bed wetting doom threads that are made after every Everton capitulation.

Well I am the author of the thread, and I did it not to antagonise, but to give @Joey66 the space he asked for to talk about the benefits of Brexit, "EU in or out" having been decided.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Fair effort.
Of course, we lose the influence we had with the other 27 states and the collective legislation followed there.
And it may have been absurd that British territorial waters are full of Spanish and Dutch fishermen, but even if every boat was British, it is a tiny part of the economy. In comparison with, say, the amount of banking and insurance business moving to the EU from Britain, it is not a very fair exchange. And then there are exclusion from the European satellites, and no more European Arrest Warrants, and loss of the European Medicines Agency. It is not immediately apparent how we will fill the gaps.

Tbh I was reaching a bit. Even on what would probably be the strongest of arguments regarding sovereignty, the point below still stands

It's an odd debate if you apply sovereignty to the decision to Leave. In essence, you split the concept into two domains de jure and de facto.

You can knowingly reduce your de facto autonomy if you willingly enter into beneficial arrangements that supersede de jure sovereignty. There's nothing adverse about that, it's a decision taken in best interests, which effectively become a cooperate accord.

While you can say with certainty that the EU does have an input into UK laws and legislation and you may be right in asserting that EU regulation is excessive, undermining the de jure sovereignty of the UK, the fact that we are in a collective Union and able to influence decisions and legislation on a wider platform than our own state, we've actually increased our de facto sovereignty. You also can't argue that we weren't involved in the shaping of those regulations.

However, under May's deal we effectively reduce our sovereignty in both de facto and de jure basis.

And even out of the EU we will still be bound by treaties and international laws by virtue of other political arrangements. Presumably the difference will be they won't be made entirely by those pesky Europeans...

 

[davmaher]

8:41 "We're here because we're here because we're here because we're here...."

Exactly

 

[Jebus_lives]

Well I am the author of the thread, and I did it not to antagonise, but to give @Joey66 the space he asked for to talk about the benefits of Brexit, "EU in or out" having been decided.

As well as the repeated suggestion that the EU in or out thread be closed because we've now 'got Brexit done'

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

The British press refusing to allow Comical Johnson too dictate who attends press briefings and boycott Number 10 Brexit news briefing. That's a benefit of Brexit, free press corner stone of democracy.

 

[Jebus_lives]

As well as the repeated suggestion that the EU in or out thread be closed because we've now 'got Brexit done'

This is an odd thing to middle finger.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

It allows those of us on the other side of the pond to look across and say, well, at least some other "civilised" country has as many idiots as this one