Current Affairs The benefits of Brexit Page

[MiserableBlue]

Instead of a one word put down, try giving us the benefit of how you think brexit will pan out. What should we be aiming for for instance, in projected trade deals with the EU, USA, China, etc. This is not about which side told the more lies in the referendum campaign, or the complete failure of the Tories to come to a decent agreement with the EU in the past 3 years.
The referendum and election are in the past; I wasn't happy with the result of either, but it's now water under the bridge.

How do you see things proceeding?

I voted leave and I think in the short term as a country we will feel some pain.

However in the long term, economically we will recover and prosper, I have 3 children in their 20s and one young grandson and whilst my eldest son was apoplectic at me voting to leave its because I see the EU as a protectionist racket, a shrinking market that is only after our £10 Billion nett contribution every year.

There is a whole world out there that we can and should be doing trade deals with to benefit the UK, so instead of being a xenophobe or racist as some would call leavers I think I am more global in my outlook than my remainer son.

I am not anti immigration, we need immigration but it has to be controlled just as other countries around the world have immigration controls in place.

This leads me to my real reason for voting to leave.

Our parliament ( love them or loathe them ) have no control over EU directives. An EU Commissioner says something and supposedly all 28 member nations have to do it. Countless times as a member nation we tried to veto certain actions only to fail. The EU commissioners are unelected and unaccountable. Juncker, Tusk all unelected, European Parliament and MEPs have no power.

At least with the return of sovereignty to our Parliament, we the people have a choice, if we don't like Labour, The Tories, which ever party is in power we can get them out.

We can do no such thing with the EU

So benefits of Brexit, becoming an independant, sovereign nation and controlling our nation, who we trade with, who immigrates here, who we can deport, controlling what we spend and where

The EU needs us more than we need them

 

[Methuselah]

The document was leaked, the details were actually about the movement of antiques and stuff around the EU.

Who do you think leaked it? Who do think invented/referenced the Elgin Marbles? And who is blaming the EU?

And why?

Er, why was it included in a draft paper on Trade negotiations? What on earth has it got to do with trade? You also ignored the Gibraltar issue which is also being attached to trade negotiations. EU playing silly beggars.

 

[roydo]

Er, why was it included in a draft paper on Trade negotiations? What on earth has it got to do with trade? You also ignored the Gibraltar issue which is also being attached to trade negotiations. EU playing silly beggars.

No idea mate.

Nor do you. But you swallow the Elgin Marbles link, from a leaked document.

Leaked by who? Why?

Answer those, and you will get a clue why some of us are a bit queasy about who are driving this. And why.

 

[Connor]

I voted leave and I think in the short term as a country we will feel some pain.

However in the long term, economically we will recover and prosper, I have 3 children in their 20s and one young grandson and whilst my eldest son was apoplectic at me voting to leave its because I see the EU as a protectionist racket, a shrinking market that is only after our £10 Billion nett contribution every year.

There is a whole world out there that we can and should be doing trade deals with to benefit the UK, so instead of being a xenophobe or racist as some would call leavers I think I am more global in my outlook than my remainer son.

I am not anti immigration, we need immigration but it has to be controlled just as other countries around the world have immigration controls in place.

This leads me to my real reason for voting to leave.

Our parliament ( love them or loathe them ) have no control over EU directives. An EU Commissioner says something and supposedly all 28 member nations have to do it. Countless times as a member nation we tried to veto certain actions only to fail. The EU commissioners are unelected and unaccountable. Juncker, Tusk all unelected, European Parliament and MEPs have no power.

At least with the return of sovereignty to our Parliament, we the people have a choice, if we don't like Labour, The Tories, which ever party is in power we can get them out.

We can do no such thing with the EU

So benefits of Brexit, becoming an independant, sovereign nation and controlling our nation, who we trade with, who immigrates here, who we can deport, controlling what we spend and where

The EU needs us more than we need them

Reads like a leaver bingo card this.

Just missing remoaner and will of the people for house.

 

[MiserableBlue]

Reads like a leaver bingo card this.

Just missing remoaner and will of the people for house.

Just outlining my reasons, thats all.

If you disagree fair enough, I've had long conversations with my eldest superior son ( he is university educated, I am not ) and he sees where I am coming from and I see his view too.

I thought about it substantially and made my choice based on that.

Not what Farage, Johnson, Cameron, Blair, Major or anyone else said.

 

[tremont]

You’ve created a straw man there. Those pushing the bogus narrative have deliberately avoided actual facts, as they don’t suit their agenda. Focussing instead on misinformation that creates emotive reactions and lead people to believing that their misguided ‘beliefs’ somehow trump actual facts. The media has been at the heart of creating this twisted reality and it makes those who deal in truth, evidence and demonstrable facts even more important that they’ve ever been, if we’re to clamber out of this Bannonised rabbit hole.

So sorry, facts and evidence do matter, the challenge is how any opposition can ensure they form the key part of public discourse again when we now have such a massively biased right wing populist media at present. Now including the BBC who’ve been successfully convinced that they need to sing for their supper by this and the preceding Tory Govt.

That is the key point there. If they fail to do that, then the facts and evidence will not matter. This is my point. People will vote for what they believe - not necessarily for what is true. I don't think we are in complete disagreement here.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I voted leave and I think in the short term as a country we will feel some pain.

However in the long term, economically we will recover and prosper, I have 3 children in their 20s and one young grandson and whilst my eldest son was apoplectic at me voting to leave its because I see the EU as a protectionist racket, a shrinking market that is only after our £10 Billion nett contribution every year.

There is a whole world out there that we can and should be doing trade deals with to benefit the UK, so instead of being a xenophobe or racist as some would call leavers I think I am more global in my outlook than my remainer son.

I am not anti immigration, we need immigration but it has to be controlled just as other countries around the world have immigration controls in place.

This leads me to my real reason for voting to leave.

Our parliament ( love them or loathe them ) have no control over EU directives. An EU Commissioner says something and supposedly all 28 member nations have to do it. Countless times as a member nation we tried to veto certain actions only to fail. The EU commissioners are unelected and unaccountable. Juncker, Tusk all unelected, European Parliament and MEPs have no power.

At least with the return of sovereignty to our Parliament, we the people have a choice, if we don't like Labour, The Tories, which ever party is in power we can get them out.

We can do no such thing with the EU

So benefits of Brexit, becoming an independant, sovereign nation and controlling our nation, who we trade with, who immigrates here, who we can deport, controlling what we spend and where

The EU needs us more than we need them

I wish I'd had some warning, I'd have got my bingo card.

 

[MiserableBlue]

I wish I'd had some warning, I'd have got my bingo card.

Whats with the Bingo references? You and Connor, just don't get it.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I voted leave and I think in the short term as a country we will feel some pain.

However in the long term, economically we will recover and prosper, I have 3 children in their 20s and one young grandson and whilst my eldest son was apoplectic at me voting to leave its because I see the EU as a protectionist racket, a shrinking market that is only after our £10 Billion nett contribution every year.

There is a whole world out there that we can and should be doing trade deals with to benefit the UK, so instead of being a xenophobe or racist as some would call leavers I think I am more global in my outlook than my remainer son.

I am not anti immigration, we need immigration but it has to be controlled just as other countries around the world have immigration controls in place.

This leads me to my real reason for voting to leave.

Our parliament ( love them or loathe them ) have no control over EU directives. An EU Commissioner says something and supposedly all 28 member nations have to do it. Countless times as a member nation we tried to veto certain actions only to fail. The EU commissioners are unelected and unaccountable. Juncker, Tusk all unelected, European Parliament and MEPs have no power.

At least with the return of sovereignty to our Parliament, we the people have a choice, if we don't like Labour, The Tories, which ever party is in power we can get them out.

We can do no such thing with the EU

So benefits of Brexit, becoming an independant, sovereign nation and controlling our nation, who we trade with, who immigrates here, who we can deport, controlling what we spend and where

The EU needs us more than we need them

Countless? No, they’re easily countable. You confuse a veto with being outvoted btw,

The U.K. got outvoted on only 56 occasions in 20 years, compared to 2466 times the vote went the way it wanted.

But democracy or something.

 

[roydo]

Whats with the Bingo references? You and Connor, just don't get it.

It is because leavers often list some reasons they voted leave, that were often trumpeted by Johnson et al, which when put under any scrutiny, fall apart.

Taking just 2 from your post.

We need controlled immigration. Well, we do have controlled immigration.

We have had loads of EU directives lobbed at us that we Vetoed. Go on, which ones didnt you like.

Thats Bingo.

 

[MiserableBlue]

Countless? No, they’re easily countable. You confuse a veto with being outvoted btw,

The U.K. got outvoted on only 56 occasions in 20 years, compared to 2466 times the vote went the way it wanted.

But democracy or something.

So 56 times too many then?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

So 56 times too many then?

Name one of them.

Preferably one that negatively impacts on your actual existence.

I’ll wait.

 

[MiserableBlue]

It is because leavers often list some reasons they voted leave, that were often trumpeted by Johnson et al, which when put under any scrutiny, fall apart.

Taking just 2 from your post.

We need controlled immigration. Well, we do have controlled immigration.

We have had loads of EU directives lobbed at us that we Vetoed. Go on, which ones didnt you like.

Thats Bingo.

So what about the 56 directives that we failed to Veto? Thats alright is it?

I've often seen it said that we have controlled immigration, yes we do from non EU states, and maybe there are elements of control in EU immigration. However wave a EU passport at UK Border Control and its straight in.

That may be due to the current or previous governments of the UK lack of enforcing EU controls however get out of the EU and it cuts out the ambiguity.

We leave the EU, so the excuse by whatever government is in power that we have to take EU nationals disappears. Then they take the risk of being dumped out of power if they continue the current levels of immigration.

It just comes back to this again, we can't vote out the people in the EU that make the directives, at least when we leave the EU if our government does something we don't like we have the choice to get rid.

As I said in my original reply, i do think there will be short term pain but by the time I am shuffling off, my children and my grandson will be better off.

I can see the upsides to leave, yes there may be short term downsides but in the long term I strongly believe that it will be a better future for my children and grandson.

EU will still want to trade with us and we with them, plus we can trade independently with the rest of the world.

 

[MiserableBlue]

Name one of them.

Preferably one that negatively impacts on your actual existence.

I’ll wait.

Wait all you like

I can't name one, I don't want to name one. You said 56 times we failed to Veto, as far as I'm concerned just once would be one too many

 

[roydo]

So what about the 56 directives that we failed to Veto? Thats alright is it?

But you only knew that number 5 minutes ago, so have no idea what they are, and no idea if they ended up on our statute or regulations.