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[tremont]

It usually goes hand in hand with it

I disagree.

 

[dead_soft]

I disagree.

People have an emotional reaction to immigration that makes them against it. Rational reactions would mean people were broadly in support of it. What’s the reason for the emotional reactions?

 

[tremont]

there are I’m sure certainly other factors at play for many people however unfortunately whenever I chat to anyone or listen to them phone in the radio or ask questions on tv debate shows the veneer often starts with laws they can’t mention or make up or they flounder struggling to reach their reasons . Of course immigration didn’t figure in every vote but it certainly seems to factor in the most vocal and if I’m honest when you ask for reasons an awful lot seem to struggle to mention any other reason , that’s my experience anyway .

I can understand why this may be the impression. The people I speak to reference immigration, but there are other factors they mention. I would put this to you though - Is it not possible the media is looking to portray this image? I do not believe any News Outlet is impartial. The BBC is probably the worst for this - my opinion.

 

[tremont]

People have an emotional reaction to immigration that makes them against it. Rational reactions would mean people were broadly in support of it. What’s the reason for the emotional reactions?

Are you saying those that voted to leave the EU did so on emotion? Those people that are concerned about immigration haven't really got the capacity to think rationally about it? Whilst on the other hand, those that do support immigration, are the rational ones? The ones that "know best"? Is that what you are really saying here?

Is it the same as being called a racist for voting to leave the EU? Is that the kind of emotional reaction you are talking about?

 

[tremont]

What control did you want that was impossible before?

I'm not sure what you mean. Sorry.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

I'm not sure what you mean. Sorry.

You said it wasn;t racist or xenophobic to want more control over immigration laws. I am wondering what control exists now that didn't before and why this is a good thing.

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

Does that not sit well with you? Surely you can just ignore what I have implied - After all, you're awfully quick to dish it out.

Please feel free to show me exactly where I've 'dished it out'.

Also a quick question - you made reference to the BBC's alleged partisanship. Do you think the BBC is wantonly left wing or right wing?

 

[tremont]

Control over immigration with regards to EU Members should be the same as countries not in the EU. That's it. I don't care where you come from, or the colour of your skin - If you gain the points needed for entry, and have the skills we need, then welcome to the UK.

 

[Yarrgh]

But at the time of entry, those things would have been in the future. This person had only a PhD. That is all we know from that tweet. We don't know if there was employment, and we don't know if, at the time, she could speak the language. We can't use "seems like a nice person" in the decision making process. At the time, nobody would have known anything about what type of person we were dealing with. We can't use hindsight to make a judgement on this. Nobody is saying this person can't enter the country. We are saying you are welcome here, if you meet the criteria, and if your skills are needed.

With regards to the serial killer line - This was used as an example to underline my point on hindsight. I am not really sure why people are making such a big deal about that.

Here is a genuine question:-

Do you agree with the UK immigration policy with regards to non-EU countries?

If she came only armed with a PhD and no English and she's made it to Professor at a respected university within 11 years, then she really is the sort of person we want in this country. That's some serious chutzpah!

 

[tremont]

You said it wasn;t racist or xenophobic to want more control over immigration laws. I am wondering what control exists now that didn't before and why this is a good thing.

I didn't hit reply -

Control over immigration with regards to EU Members should be the same as countries not in the EU. That's it. I don't care where you come from, or the colour of your skin - If you gain the points needed for entry, and have the skills we need, then welcome to the UK.

 

[Yarrgh]

Did we get any tangible benefits listed out on this thread yet? Because I've only just skirted over it and it looks like the usual squabbling over BREXSHIT.

 

[dead_soft]

Are you saying those that voted to leave the EU did so on emotion? Those people that are concerned about immigration haven't really got the capacity to think rationally about it? Whilst on the other hand, those that do support immigration, are the rational ones? The ones that "know best"? Is that what you are really saying here?

Is it the same as being called a racist for voting to leave the EU? Is that the kind of emotional reaction you are talking about?

You’re having an emotional reaction here. I’m not saying from something I ‘reckon’. Immigration has a benefit to this country based on most measurable data.There is also a human moral reason for it.
So, in that case, what are the reasons for being against it if not emotional?

 

[tremont]

Please feel free to show me exactly where I've 'dished it out'.

Also a quick question - you made reference to the BBC's alleged partisanship. Do you think the BBC is wantonly left wing or right wing?

The BBC is left wing.

 

[tremont]

You’re having an emotional reaction here. I’m not saying from something I ‘reckon’. Immigration has a benefit to this country based on most measurable data.There is also a human moral reason for it.
So, in that case, what are the reasons for being against it if not emotional?

I am not emotional at all mate.

With regards to what the reasons are for being against Immigration - Are you asking me to speak for other people here?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Control over immigration with regards to EU Members should be the same as countries not in the EU. That's it. I don't care where you come from, or the colour of your skin - If you gain the points needed for entry, and have the skills we need, then welcome to the UK.

Restricting immigration is the embodiment of 'caring where people come from', as you're not treating those not born in the UK the same as those born in the UK. It's hardly like you're advocating for some kind of Plato's Republic and booting out all the low skilled natives so we can have a highly skilled utopia and prance around in togas.