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[NilSatisOptimum]

Anyone that voted to leave the EU, have been labelled many things - racist, bigoted, xenophobic, uneducated, gammon etc. We have all witnessed this. Many of you on here are guilty of that.

Oh yes for sure, I'm yet to be proven otherwise. I saw myself when Farage took over UKIP and the characters that came with him, it's obvious.

 

[Jebus_lives]

A. A tiny bit of research would suggest her value to the UK, based on her education and position she took within the University when entering the country.

I am addressing the tweet only. This has always been my point. I am suggesting that if all we have, with regards to the time she entered the UK, is the information on the tweet, then no - she should not gain entry (under the proposed criteria). Whatever happened after she entered the country is not relevant, because that information was not available at the time of entry.

B. You keep mentioning hindsight, but it's not really accurate as we didn't have there proposed system in place at the time of entry, and all we have is a comparison of what the situation would be in the future. Objectively, we can look at her achievements and value and suggest that under the proposed system, the UK would be denying entry to a valuable contributor to society. As such, the suggestion would be that the proposed system is flawed.

This person is claiming that she would not be granted access to the UK, under the proposed system. The proposed system may be flawed, but as it stands, the decision to deny her access - based on the points she would gain - is the correct one. Nobody is denying she hasn't made a great contribution to society. Allowances cannot be made for her because she has a PhD. The PhD is, at the time of entry, the only positive thing in the tweet.

C. The serial killer line was ridiculous, as any country would deny that individual entry and, there is no measure, in any immigration system that would identify future intention or criminal intent for those that have never exhibited this behavior before. Minority Report is not yet a reality.

You are correct - the serial killer line is ridiculous. It was used as an extreme example. It was used to highlight the fact that we didn't know who this woman was at the time of entry.

D. The current system or the proposed system?

The proposed system.

Here is a scenario:-

The proposed system is now up and running. Two people are looking to move to the UK. Both have background checks completed, and both are good to go. Neither speak English, and neither have employment arranged. Both seem like nice people. One is a female with a PhD from Poland. The other is male with a PhD from Nigeria. What do you do? Do you let both in? Because they both have PhDs. Do you let neither in? As neither gain the points the criteria demands?

The answer to that has to be "Neither".

You've got me, go on, which one is the serial killer?

 

[tremont]

Do non white EU citizens not have the same rights as white EU citizens?

And the answer to the question 'why do EU citizens not have to undergo the same systems as non EU citizens?' is: one group is in a economic and political Union which holds free movement of people as a fundamental freedom and the other groups are not.

Do non white EU citizens not have the same rights as white EU citizens?

Of course they do. Western Europe (EU) is predominantly white, which is why I used the white/non-white example. There are many white people not in the EU also. You know that though, and you understand my point. Your previous postings suggest you are an intelligent guy.

And the answer to the question 'why do EU citizens not have to undergo the same systems as non EU citizens?' is: one group is in a economic and political Union which holds free movement of people as a fundamental freedom and the other groups are not.

That is not the answer to my question - We are not part of that Union.

 

[tremont]

You've got me, go on, which one is the serial killer?

Trick question - both are.

 

[tremont]

Exactly, that's extremely plausible. Thanks.

So voters from a predominantly white country, voting to leave a union - that is predominantly white - is racist? I'm not sure you know what that word means. Let me help you out here - the word you should be using is xenophobe.

So applying the same rules to the 500 million people of the EU, that we use for the other 7.2 billion people on the planet is xenophobic? And It is okay to be selective with the other 7.2 billion , but not so with the people that are more than likely going to be the same colour as us? Maybe you're right. Maybe one of us is racist.

I'm glad I cleared that up. I've learned something here today. Yay.

 

[dead_soft]

So voters from a predominantly white country, voting to leave a union - that is predominantly white - is racist? I'm not sure you know what that word means. Let me help you out here - the word you should be using is xenophobe.

So applying the same rules to the 500 million people of the EU, that we use for the other 7.2 billion people on the planet is xenophobic? And It is okay to be selective with the other 7.2 billion , but not so with the people that are more than likely going to be the same colour as us? Maybe you're right. Maybe one of us is racist.

I'm glad I cleared that up. I've learned something here today. Yay.

Nope it was about race. Just because there's now been a twist to 'oh we actually want immigration from NON European countries' it can't hide that immigration and 'breaking point' and the refugee crisis is what caused many to be against immigration.

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

So voters from a predominantly white country, voting to leave a union - that is predominantly white - is racist? I'm not sure you know what that word means. Let me help you out here - the word you should be using is xenophobe.

So applying the same rules to the 500 million people of the EU, that we use for the other 7.2 billion people on the planet is xenophobic? And It is okay to be selective with the other 7.2 billion , but not so with the people that are more than likely going to be the same colour as us? Maybe you're right. Maybe one of us is racist.

I'm glad I cleared that up. I've learned something here today. Yay.

Haha so I'm a racist? You are an absolute star

 

[tremont]

Nope it was about race. Just because there's now been a twist to 'oh we actually want immigration from NON European countries' it can't hide that immigration and 'breaking point' and the refugee crisis is what caused many to be against immigration.

Immigration was certainly a part of it for some people - it wasn't all of it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to have more control over immigration. It isn't bigoted. It isn't xenophobic. And it certainly isn't racist.

 

[sdk]

You've got me, go on, which one is the serial killer?

You'll have to read their respective dissertations to find out.

There may be a body hidden in the footnotes.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Immigration was certainly a part of it for some people - it wasn't all of it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to have more control over immigration. It isn't bigoted. It isn't xenophobic. And it certainly isn't racist.

What control did you want that was impossible before?

 

[sdk]

Immigration was certainly a part of it for some people - it wasn't all of it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to have more control over immigration. It isn't bigoted. It isn't xenophobic. And it certainly isn't racist.

Enough pussyfooting. I came for the sunlit uplands, not a series of hypothetical scenarios by which white Englanders are shown to be not entirely racist.

 

[tremont]

Haha so I'm a racist? You are an absolute star

Does that not sit well with you? Surely you can just ignore what I have implied - After all, you're awfully quick to dish it out.

 

[dead_soft]

Immigration was certainly a part of it for some people - it wasn't all of it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to have more control over immigration. It isn't bigoted. It isn't xenophobic. And it certainly isn't racist.

It usually goes hand in hand with it

 

[Harryflashman]

Immigration was certainly a part of it for some people - it wasn't all of it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to have more control over immigration. It isn't bigoted. It isn't xenophobic. And it certainly isn't racist.

there are I’m sure certainly other factors at play for many people however unfortunately whenever I chat to anyone or listen to them phone in the radio or ask questions on tv debate shows the veneer often starts with laws they can’t mention or make up or they flounder struggling to reach their reasons . Of course immigration didn’t figure in every vote but it certainly seems to factor in the most vocal and if I’m honest when you ask for reasons an awful lot seem to struggle to mention any other reason , that’s my experience anyway .

 

[Alan Whittle]

Nope it was about race. Just because there's now been a twist to 'oh we actually want immigration from NON European countries

....As long as they don't have PhD's. lol