Current Affairs The "another stabbing in London" thread

[Bruce Wayne]

I tend to side with judges because they generally have the full picture of circumstances rather than the headlines but I’d suggest he’s been quite fortunate with the sentencing . If you look at the matters he’s been convicted of whilst wielding a weapon like that I reckon you’d expect a custodial .

I also appreciate points made about his kidnapping but again the circumstances around that you’d expect to be significant . If your kidnapped it must be a horrific experience but if it’s because you’re in the wrong place at the wrong time or if it’s because your criminality puts you at risk I’d say the impact on you may well be the same but should the court view both the same ?

EDIT- just seen the court was told the kidnapping was due to a friend’s drug debt . Again though you’d want more details , I’d presume the judge may well have had them

Like I say I tend to bend towards judges and have regularly argued that sentencing is better left in there hands than the general public , the police or politicians but I’m not surprised that this one is being looked at again . Once that’s done though it may be viewed to be absolutely fine , I’d think his age plays a huge part in it as well to be honest .

Pfft, experts. Much better to have a kangaroo court referendum with people using half baked information to come to an emotive conclusion. The poor duck will go to the ECJ next and end up with a PlayBox 3.0 in his Hilton hotel room and a £120,000 a week pension paid for by us. And I bet he'll have two bloody coffee machines as well.

 

[PhilM]

I'm not defending him, I'm trying to understand how a young man can get into such a state as to feel the need to carry and then use such a weapon. Without understanding that, it's surely impossible to reduce such instances?

What struck me when reading the sentence was that he already has a previous conviction for attempted robbery, where he used an offensive weapon (a knife).

I wouldn't be surprised if the CPS do not go to the CoA, however that's for other reasons, but it does feel unduly lenient with all things considered.

 

[peteblue]

I'm not defending him, I'm trying to understand how a young man can get into such a state as to feel the need to carry and then use such a weapon. Without understanding that, it's surely impossible to reduce such instances?

Indeed Bruce. But again you are trying to give him an excuse for carrying a particularly nasty offensive weapon. At what point does it become acceptable. A friend visiting your house while carrying one of these, just for protection, then why not a sword so at least it’s visible, or maybe a gun just like Americans want. We’ve been through this, these items belong in the past and there is no excuse for their continued ‘acceptance’. They are abhorrent and our justice system must always put out this message. Once we begin to forgive or ‘understand’, is the day that everyone will start to carry them again......and so the slaughter will continue.....

 

[peteblue]

BBC...

“The Metropolitan Police is considering deploying armed officers on foot patrols in areas "where gang activity is likely" to prevent violence.”

...and this is the natural escalation because our judiciary are not putting these scumbags away.

In ten years time all of our Police will be armed because Liberals cannot address the ever growing violence on our streets......

 

[orchard]

BBC...

“The Metropolitan Police is considering deploying armed officers on foot patrols in areas "where gang activity is likely" to prevent violence.”

...and this is the natural escalation because our judiciary are not putting these scumbags away.

In ten years time all of our Police will be armed because Liberals cannot address the ever growing violence on our streets......

Yea, far too liberal government:

Primary school children to help fight terrorism in UK under new plans

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/cri...terrorism-in-uk-under-new-plans-a4003811.html

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Yea, far too liberal government:

Primary school children to help fight terrorism in UK under new plans

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/cri...terrorism-in-uk-under-new-plans-a4003811.html

You can't tell the difference between the schools and the prisons around here a lot of the time. They should bring back the cane. Never did me any harm. Kids today just need discipline.

 

[orchard]

You can't tell the difference between the schools and the prisons around here a lot of the time. They should bring back the cane. Never did me any harm. Kids today just need discipline.

Yea, why adopt systems, have police, and employ snowflakes to monitor our borders/streets when we have the whole of Facebook, BBC and twitter to manipulate?


"Of course I'm guilty!" cried Parsons with a servile glance at the telescreen. ''You don't think the Party would arrest an innocent man, do you?"
''Who denounced you?" asked Winston.
''It was my little daughter," said Parsons with a sort of doleful pride.
''She listened at the keyhole. Heard what I was saying, and nipped off to the patrols. Pretty smart for a nipper of seven, eh? I don't bear her any grudge for it. In fact, I'm proud of her. It shows I brought her up in the right spirit, anyway."

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Yea, why adopt systems, have police, and employ snowflakes to monitor our borders/streets when we have the whole of Facebook, BBC and twitter to manipulate?


"Of course I'm guilty!" cried Parsons with a servile glance at the telescreen. ''You don't think the Party would arrest an innocent man, do you?"
''Who denounced you?" asked Winston.
''It was my little daughter," said Parsons with a sort of doleful pride.
''She listened at the keyhole. Heard what I was saying, and nipped off to the patrols. Pretty smart for a nipper of seven, eh? I don't bear her any grudge for it. In fact, I'm proud of her. It shows I brought her up in the right spirit, anyway."

So you think Joey is angling for a commendation from the MayBot as it reads these forums? "For hostile attitudes towards migrants, I award you this medal Joey66." "Thank you oh strong and stable one...."

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Sadly for Pete, comrade Johnson has created an ambivalence towards cyclists that means his lickspittlery is unlikely to gain similar commendation, although anger against young brown people has been duly noted.

 

[abelard]

Sadly for Pete, comrade Johnson has created an ambivalence towards cyclists that means his lickspittlery is unlikely to gain similar commendation, although anger against young brown people has been duly noted.

If I ever have time, I will someday explain in detail, and with references, why your post in the Brexit thread about de-industrialisation; the causes and consequences of the financial crisis; and the presumption that things have to stay the way they are because everything is very complicated, is embarrassingly ignorant and misguided.

But, for now, respect where it is due... Lickspittlery! Take a bow

 

[edge]

BBC...

“The Metropolitan Police is considering deploying armed officers on foot patrols in areas "where gang activity is likely" to prevent violence.”

...and this is the natural escalation because our judiciary are not putting these scumbags away.

In ten years time all of our Police will be armed because Liberals cannot address the ever growing violence on our streets......

good look with that , people having a go at them knocking muggers off bikes imagine if the shoot someone.

 

[orchard]

If I ever have time, I will someday explain in detail, and with references, why your post in the Brexit thread about de-industrialisation; the causes and consequences of the financial crisis; and the presumption that things have to stay the way they are because everything is very complicated, is embarrassingly ignorant and misguided.

But, for now, respect where it is due... Lickspittlery! Take a bow

Tbf, although you're right, he's not alone, there's bucket loads of the same stuff coming from the other side.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

If I ever have time, I will someday explain in detail, and with references, why your post in the Brexit thread about de-industrialisation; the causes and consequences of the financial crisis; and the presumption that things have to stay the way they are because everything is very complicated, is embarrassingly ignorant and misguided.

But, for now, respect where it is due... Lickspittlery! Take a bow

I don't think I've ever said that things must stay the same tbf, merely that very few communities regardless of the political orientation of those in government, have managed to adapt after their primary industry has been disrupted. Of those that have, they have often done so in the gentrification sense whereby new money has been drawn alongside high skilled work/workers. It's very rare for a mine or a steel works to shut down and for those men (it's nearly always men) to find new work in similar sectors.

I've been reading a bit about urban development for a paper recently and this was one of the sources I was using, it might be interesting. It's undoubtedly not exhaustive, but it is nonetheless perhaps telling that they primarily talk about both the decline in various places, and the damage it causes, but not how it can be successfully tackled, whether in terms of avoiding change in the first place or better equipping communities to adapt to it. Suffice to say I lean more towards the latter than the former, but when I say things are complex it isn't to dismiss them but to rather highlight the difficulty countries around the world have had in tackling it.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

And for what it's worth, the TUC did a report on work a few months ago, and it didn't really answer the question either, which is kinda what I mean that this isn't a left/right thing but rather a societal challenge that crosses everything from health to education.

 

[abelard]

I don't think I've ever said that things must stay the same tbf, merely that very few communities regardless of the political orientation of those in government, have managed to adapt after their primary industry has been disrupted. Of those that have, they have often done so in the gentrification sense whereby new money has been drawn alongside high skilled work/workers. It's very rare for a mine or a steel works to shut down and for those men (it's nearly always men) to find new work in similar sectors.

I've been reading a bit about urban development for a paper recently and this was one of the sources I was using, it might be interesting. It's undoubtedly not exhaustive, but it is nonetheless perhaps telling that they primarily talk about both the decline in various places, and the damage it causes, but not how it can be successfully tackled, whether in terms of avoiding change in the first place or better equipping communities to adapt to it. Suffice to say I lean more towards the latter than the former, but when I say things are complex it isn't to dismiss them but to rather highlight the difficulty countries around the world have had in tackling it.

you should read Adam Tooze