Current Affairs The "another stabbing in London" thread
- Thread starter GrandOldTeam
- Start date
- Status
tsubaki
Player Valuation: £90m
That is something else you'd be wrong about as well, then.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
So explain the Tetra system to me and how it differs from mobile and PSTN......
tsubaki
Player Valuation: £90m
Well that is a pretty irrelevant point - especially given what you actually said to prompt that remark - but if you want to know, what I know of Airwave in London is that it operates from a series of sites across the city, it is separate from the mobile phone network and it allows the three emergency services (as well as other users) to continue to communicate when the mobile phone network gets swamped (as it did on 7/7, and (bizarrely) during the Queen's regatta in 2012).
The Commissioner not having an airwave handset with him meant that he could not call up either the central control room or the local one to request help. He was probably able to use his phone, not to call 999 (which was jammed with callers at the time) but if he did call someone it was probably whoever the on-call ACPO level officer was at the time (edit) who could have briefed him about what was happening overall.
That is why your point about him being totally out of contact for 3-5 minutes, and therefore he should have stayed at the scene, is so wrong.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
That wasn’t my question was it. Anyone can google Airwave. I asked you about the differing systems and how the Tetra system differed from mobile and PSTN, after all you insinuated that you knew more about it than I, someone who actually worked on developing these systems in both the U.K. and Italy. Anyway, it will be interesting to see his call records, which will no doubt come out shortly, or hidden until he skulks away.
Why would he need to be briefed when he was the man on the spot. No one knew more about what was happening than him, he was sat there, watching as his police officer was stabbed, watching as they moved along past his locked car, no doubt watching out of the rear window as his car fled..........
tsubaki
Player Valuation: £90m
Pete - as I said, the thing that prompted your pretty irrelevant question was a point about him getting back to the Yard. You claimed he would have been incommunicado for 3-5 minutes, as if he and everyone else in that car were without phones. That claim is wrong, and if you really do know about emergency services communications then you should know exactly why that is wrong. As for "anyone can google Airwave", do me a favour.
Because, and I cannot believe I am typing this, London is bigger than Palace Yard. How would he know about what was going on elsewhere, if there were other attacks, or even the first details of the attack on the bridge itself? How can he get a picture of what is happening from one location that allows him to make informed decisions about what to do? After all, everyone at Palace Yard had their own jobs to do - to secure Parliament, to treat the wounded, to manage that scene.
Most importantly, how could he do any of that - which after all was his job - if he had just been stabbed to death?
Simple answer is he didn’t need to get back to the Ops room and coordinate anything as that job would have been under the control of another less senior officer on duty in the Ops room.
The last thing that Ops room would have needed is that fat cowardly mess turning up and flapping like a deranged seagull.
Upshot was - he was out the loop, hiding in his car while someone else had control of the broader tactical situation.
Billy Dean
Player Valuation: £70m
I think in most places where you have vast economic inequality you see an increase in violent crime right? Look at Latin America and the US for example. South Africa too.
NilSatisOptimum
Player Valuation: £70m
If there is little or no police patrolling then gangs will move in and police, and bring their flavour preventions and justice. It’s not new, rocket science, neither is it unique to the UK. There are many examples around the world, when there is little state or no state, gangs will step in and fill the void.
This is what happens when you bring in young children from war torn countries. They have witnessed their parents getting chopped up etc.
These young kids have then been dumped in some of the poorest parts of London.
Stabbing, slashing and killing is nothing to them (and yes not all these are involved) but the immigration policy over the last 10 years has a part to play in all of this.
These young kids have then been dumped in some of the poorest parts of London.
Stabbing, slashing and killing is nothing to them (and yes not all these are involved) but the immigration policy over the last 10 years has a part to play in all of this.
Mr. White
Player Valuation: £8m
It’s not rocket science is it!? This is a multi-faceted issue but at it’s core, a lack of police, a lack of prison spaces and wishy-washy liberalism has brought us to where we are now.
I appreciate that public finances are rather tight in this day and age. But law and order must take priority. I’d happily pay more in tax provided it was well spent i.e, on front line policing and more prison cells. Indeed, I think many would be happy to pay higher taxes for better services, but there is little trust for public money to be spent prudently.
I appreciate that public finances are rather tight in this day and age. But law and order must take priority. I’d happily pay more in tax provided it was well spent i.e, on front line policing and more prison cells. Indeed, I think many would be happy to pay higher taxes for better services, but there is little trust for public money to be spent prudently.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
The problem is that no one is allowed to mention this for fear of being labelled racist. Yet almost every case is of a black lad being knifed by other black lads. It is a disgraceful waste of life, and if some political sensitivities have to be brushed aside to save one young life then it should be done. The police, and that disgrace of a Mayor of London should hang their heads in shame......
I just can’t see how it can be stopped. I think it’s easy to point the finger at the police. People can argue about stop and search, but if young people feel that the police will stop and search them in the street then I think it’s less likely they will carry a weapon.
The issue we have now is Theresa May basically told the police to cut stop and search or she will bring in legislation to change the way it’s carried out but also making officers more accountable if they don’t find anything.
I’m all for the police being accountable for what they do, but having the fear of losing your job for doing your job?
The result, stop and search fell by 80% and now we have these problems.
Politicians are trying to have too big a say in deciding what the police should do and how they should police for easy politics points.
The PM was warned about doing this when she was Home Secretary and accused the police of crying wolf. It’s blood on her hands.
- Status