Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

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TX Bill said:
We already have strict laws in place regarding the purchase of a firearm so how do YOU define progress on the "firearm issue?" We have MILLIONS of law abiding citizens who legally and lawfully own a firearm and have never caused a problem. So what progress can be made without infringing on their rights?

As someone said. We own over 200 million guns and 12 trillion rounds of ammo. If we were a problem, you'd know it.
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Personally I would define progress on the firearms issue as a reduction in the amount of people who die from gunshot wounds each year.

If there are over 200 million guns owned by Americans then it's inevitable there will be accidents and tragedies. Not allowing assault rifles or other weapons that would be more at home in a war zone would be a start. Would you see that as an unreasonable infringement upon your rights?
 
MikeEFC1878x said:
PERSONAL OPINION:


i feel US gov have done false flag events before: not saying all are false flag but off top of my head the is enough logical evidence to suggest

Boston bombing some mass shootings and 9//11 was false flag..


now i am not a conspiracy theory wacko who believes everything that is said by gov..



on back of sandy hook certain caliber rounds where banned...


its step by step removing round types then weapon types bit by bit to remove individual freedom

whos to say gov wont keep doing mass shootings till all types are banned
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I'm pro gun rights but posts like this make me think the Brady campaign might have a point!
 
TX Bill said:
Look mate. You'd lock em too when 90% of the posters have zero concept of reality in this country.

Those 90% have no interest in rational debate but rather shout "BAN GUNS" at the top of their lungs knowing full well that will NEVER happen. Understood?

With respect of course.
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Wow...


cage rattled.
 
MikeEFC1878x said:
PERSONAL OPINION:


i feel US gov have done false flag events before: not saying all are false flag but off top of my head the is enough logical evidence to suggest

Boston bombing some mass shootings and 9//11 was false flag..


now i am not a conspiracy theory wacko who believes everything that is said by gov..



on back of sandy hook certain caliber rounds where banned...


its step by step removing round types then weapon types bit by bit to remove individual freedom

whos to say gov wont keep doing mass shootings till all types are banned
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According to the NWO, the first step to controlling the population is to disarm them.

They are finding it harder than they expected...
 
You give a country with mixed access to education and culture rights to hold a fire arm and then try to act shocked when your shooting rates are far higher than anywhere else.

You give people access to weapons who live in a gang warfare and if not directly allow black market means to obtain then.

How about you ban anyone publically carrying or owning a weapon and see if gun crime goes down just a little? Perhaps the reason why so many people shoot each other is because they can literally buy the gun over the counter, albeit with the delay in place. anyone hell bent on shooting someone will still harbour that ill feeling after it.

It is just stupid to me that so many crimes involving guns happen and it is simply preventable if the culprit was not able to easily access that weapon.
 
jhramone said:
Now I'm by no means an expert, but I have spent my academic career studying psychology of crime, so I feel I have a better than average view of the reality of crime. The underlying problem for us in the United States is not guns. That's a symptom of a problem, but to claim that homicides will go down to levels in Britain or Australia if they'd only get banned just isn't true. The underlying problem in the United States is a culture that reveres criminals. This might seem like a strange statement to make, given that the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world, but it's the truth. The fact is, even non-firearm homicides are higher in the US than most other western countries. We rank if not #1 at least top ten in virtually every single criminal act someone can commit. On average, a homicide occurs every 30 min, a forced rape every 10, and a robbery/burglary every minute. Our media is dominated by criminals. The most popular modern shows we have broadcast have criminal protagonists (Breaking Bad, Sopranos, etc). Even our police procedurals star detectives who "play by their own rules" or "take the law into their own hands". We have cultural icons like Jesse James (one of the more prolific mass killers in US history). Hell, recently in my hometown a kid was arrested after breaking into more than thirty different houses, most of them more than once. There was zero outrage, most people claimed he was just a boy being a boy. We've seen recently that more and more mass shooters in the US have been experimenting with explosives. Even the Orlando shooter is alleged to have had them. If you treat the symptom of guns, the disease will continue through explosives, or arson, or any of a number of other ways to incapacitate people (9/11 was through the use of airplanes after all, and no one seems to remember the Oklahoma City bombing). The true cure for the disease of violence in the US is to work hard to eliminate the culture we've built up saying that crime is acceptable. In New York, when things like littering and hopping turnstiles for subways were cracked down upon, homicides decreased. We need to take the broken window philosophy to the entire country in order to truly decrease our violent crime. Just discussing guns and claiming that's good enough isnt coming close to the actual problems involved.
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Good post and quite enlightening. But the issue still remains that if guns were not available then gun crime and murders by gun would decrease. The other issues mentioned also need to be addressed, but at least make a start by removing the tools used to kill.......
 
peteblue said:
Good post and quite enlightening. But the issue still remains that if guns were not available then gun crime and murders by gun would decrease. The other issues mentioned also need to be addressed, but at least make a start by removing the tools used to kill.......
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That is true, murders by guns would decrease, the problem is that the overal homicide rate most likely wouldn't. While mass shootings make for sensationalistic news, they represent a minuscule fraction of the actual homicides committed in the US. The VAST majority of homicides occur between romantic partners or close associates, and are the result of increasing hostility. Murder is a crime of opportunity, so if the person has a gun readily available when their spouse makes them mad, certainly they'll use that. The problem is, take the gun away, they're still pissed off and a week later they might have a hammer in their hand when they're angry enough to kill. That's why, while handguns are the number one choice of murder weapon, number two is blunt objects, not rifles. It's my opinion that to truly decrease the murder rate you have to address a culture where physical violence is seen as an acceptable solution to problems. There are far too many ways to kill someone to ban the tools, you need to attack the motivations behind the killings. I just worry that not enough people will see this and be shocked when crime rates remain the same after spending a decade trying to overturn all of the Supreme Court precedence surrounding guns.
 
jhramone said:
That is true, murders by guns would decrease, the problem is that the overal homicide rate most likely wouldn't. While mass shootings make for sensationalistic news, they represent a minuscule fraction of the actual homicides committed in the US. The VAST majority of homicides occur between romantic partners or close associates, and are the result of increasing hostility. Murder is a crime of opportunity, so if the person has a gun readily available when their spouse makes them mad, certainly they'll use that. The problem is, take the gun away, they're still pissed off and a week later they might have a hammer in their hand when they're angry enough to kill. That's why, while handguns are the number one choice of murder weapon, number two is blunt objects, not rifles. It's my opinion that to truly decrease the murder rate you have to address a culture where physical violence is seen as an acceptable solution to problems. There are far too many ways to kill someone to ban the tools, you need to attack the motivations behind the killings. I just worry that not enough people will see this and be shocked when crime rates remain the same after spending a decade trying to overturn all of the Supreme Court precedence surrounding guns.
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Hollywood and the computer games industry are doing you no favours.........
 
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