I did, I don’t.
if you have a gun in your house, you or a family member are far more likely to be shot and killed.
it’s also about culture. I don’t want my kid to think gun ownership is normal.
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if you have a gun in your house, you or a family member are far more likely to be shot and killed.
it’s also about culture. I don’t want my kid to think gun ownership is normal.
Just saw this on the BBC website this morning.Doesn't look as cool as Robocop
San Francisco to allow police 'killer robots'
The measure permits police to deploy robots equipped with explosives in extreme circumstances.www.bbc.co.uk
Amazing that the country that gave us the movies Terminator, Robocop and I, Robot, along with the Cylons in Battlestar Galactica, has nevertheless pushed ahead with creating AND DEPLOYING TO THEIR POLICE FORCES, armed killer robots.
To link to an earlier question in this thread: "If I lived in America would i choose to own a gun?" - if I lived in a state where the authorities have a stockpile of armed killer robots, yes absolutely I would spend a couple hundred hours each year at a gun range learning how to competently use and maintain a range of firearms. And I would store them in the cleaning cupboard in the utility room, safe in the knowledge that not only does my wife never remove anything from the cleaning cupboard, I'm genuinely convinced she doesn't even know where it is. So she would be perfectly safe.
See, the thing is - whatever you want to preach, gun ownership is "normal" in the US. The facts are there's more firearms there than residents. 120 to every 100. 4 in 10 live in a household with guns. That ends any pretence you might like regarding what is 'normal'.
Sure, you can set an example to discourage them;
... but personally, if I lived in America, I'd have a gun. Especially if I was in an area of America that was similar to were I grew up in Liverpool. (I think you live in one of, if not the lowest areas in the US for gun ownership)
I'd consider myself rational enough to not use that gun to shoot a family member. You can store them away, locked. As you can in the UK.
Here, if there's a burglary, you'd be confident enough to confront it. In USA, the odds say that without a gun - you'd be best hiding.
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But if you’re keeping your guns locked safely away so they aren’t stolen or don’t fall into the hands of your children, what good are they really going to be when a burglar enters your house? It’s not like you can ask him politely to put the burglary on hold while you go unlock your safe and arm yourself.
You could have a concealed very small gun safe under your bed/bedside cabinet. Biometric ones too.
Here I have exterior motion/alert CCTV. If there's anyone near my house, I will know. Granted, it was installed so I know when there's deliveries before they get to my door but it's also pretty basic home security. I mean, how many people have those Ring devices now? Security/crime is never far away from my thought process - in USA, given how rife guns are, I just think you'd be prudent to have one stored away.
I'd be in this 88%;
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Fair enough. As someone who is single and has no children, those people aren’t a consideration with regards to an intruder in my house. The overwhelming odds are that a burglar is going to be after material possessions, and there simply isn’t anything in my house that I’m willing to end another human being’s life in order to protect. I have insurance for that stuff, but even if I didn’t, I’m not sure defending my electronics is worth having something like that on my conscience for the rest of my life.
Chuckling at this. That's some leap.
Clearly, I'm not saying it's to defend your TV - it's to defend yourself;
- The DOJ reported the use of weapons in a majority of robberies. 38.2% of robberies involved firearms.
Someone high on drugs/adrenaline, with a high probability of a having a gun - desperate enough to burgle a house is likely to be a bit erratic if disturbed/confronted.
For many, instinct would no doubt be to confront/challenge the person in your home - you could die the happy victim without having it on your conscience I suppose. lol
From my time in Criminology and spending time with a lot of victims of Crime - a lot of people are painfully naïve with crime. The "you just don't expect it on your own doorstep do you?" fools who are on camera after every incident. "Everyone was shocked, stuff like that doesn't happen around here".
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My point was that they are unlikely to have broken into the house specifically with the intention of harming me. They are probably just after my stuff. Fine, take it. I feel like they’re unlikely to try to harm, much less kill, me if I give them what they want. Filing a claim with my insurance to cover the losses seems a hell of a lot easier than dealing with the psychological and legal ramifications of blowing someone’s head off trying to defend it. To think that I’m going to just kill another person, even in self defense, and not go through a substantial legal headache, both in terms of my time and money, seems naive.
The suicide stats are terrifying aswell regards gun ownership, of course you think it won't be you or a family member but who knows
Yeah that's why I meant by hide mate.
If someone burgles you there, and without a gun, you'd be best hiding. Let them get on with it.
Instinct kicks in for people though, especially if they have a family and they'd look to interrupt that intruder.
Is this the Knoxville you're from?
‘We need justice’: Public health solutions being urged by Black Knoxvillians for gun deaths
Shooting deaths claim far more Black Knoxvillians than any other demographic group, and anti-violence advocates are calling for better solutions.
eu.knoxnews.com
Gun violence in Knoxville nearly doubled in three years
Gun violence is skyrocketing in Knoxville. A new report shows homicides nearly doubled from 2019 to last year.
The vast majority of deaths from guns don't start with intent to harm.
Just skimmed this Knoxville Police Facebook Page. Wow. Feels like there's a shooting fatality every other day.
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I’m perfectly fine with that mentality. Nothing in my home is worth more than a human life.Yeah that's why I meant by hide mate.
If someone burgles you there, and without a gun, you'd be best hiding. Let them get on with it.
Instinct kicks in for people though, especially if they have a family and they'd look to interrupt that intruder.
Is this the Knoxville you're from?
‘We need justice’: Public health solutions being urged by Black Knoxvillians for gun deaths
Shooting deaths claim far more Black Knoxvillians than any other demographic group, and anti-violence advocates are calling for better solutions.Gun violence in Knoxville nearly doubled in three years
Gun violence is skyrocketing in Knoxville. A new report shows homicides nearly doubled from 2019 to last year.www.wvlt.tv
The vast majority of deaths from guns don't start with intent to harm.
I said from the outset that I’m single and have no kids. Obviously if I had children in the house it’s entirely possible I would feel differently.
totally. I think it's by far the highest cause of suicide and cause of gun related fatality.
Good God.
What is this world.
Having an unsecured gun in any household with any kids is a bad idea but particularly when there are red flags like this.
“ The boy is said to have a history of "disturbing behaviour", including swinging a puppy around by its tail when he was four. His family told police he filled a balloon with flammable liquid and set it alight, causing an explosion that burned furniture and the carpet. When questioned by his family, the boy said he hears imaginary people talking to him.
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Absolutely this. There was a shooting here in TN a few years back where two pre-teen kids got into an argument while playing outside their houses, and one went inside, got his parent’s gun, came back outside and shot the other kid dead in their front yard.
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