Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

[Lobster Johnson]

i think this too. if Arbery was such an avid jogger in that area he would`ve been very familiar to the residents and the chances are if Arbery hadn`t wrestled for the gun he would not have been shot. if Arbery was being `hunted` then why did the guy let him get close enough to grab his gun? surely he would`ve shot Arbery the first chance he got if he was `hunting` him- he didn`t though. the guys who chased after Arbery had a gun stolen out of their truck the previous month and were wary of anyone suspicious. if Arbery had been jogging round that small neighbourhood for a couple of months he would`ve been known let alone the supposed years he had been jogging around.

Absolutely [Poor language removed]. So the trial just got it wrong, did they? And you know better based on amateur psychology.

Have a watch of some of the actual trial they had to, you know, establish the facts and all that.

 

[Oddball]

Had Arbery committed a burglary or was there valid evidence to justify suspicion that he had? Was he a threat to life? Was he carrying a weapon at the time?

The answer is a resounding no to each question, so for me there's pretty much no way you can justify the response from the perpetrators.

1/ yes there was suspicion. there is video of Arbery in a property and running away after he left.
2/ there are logged 911 calls on the day and a month earlier a gun was stolen. the guys who had the gun stolen chased after Arbery and confronted him. one of the guys had a shotgun, Arbery lunged at him and wrestled for the gun which went off 3 times killing Arbery.
the highlighted part of your post is incorrect.

 

[Oddball]

2/ if it was relevant i would mention it because it would be relevant or maybe phrase the question differently.
its about character not race - if the lads running around a school with a gun when he shouldn`t even be there then that reflects on him as a person, not his race.

And again I ask, if he was arrested numerous times and charged with being drunk and disorderly previois to this incident, would you have brought it up?

and again i will reply - if it was relevant i would mention it because it would be relevant.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

1/ yes there was suspicion. there is video of Arbery in a property and running away after he left.
2/ there are logged 911 calls on the day and a month earlier a gun was stolen. the guys who had the gun stolen chased after Arbery and confronted him. one of the guys had a shotgun, Arbery lunged at him and wrestled for the gun which went off 3 times killing Arbery.
the highlighted part of your post is incorrect.

Lol

 

[Prevenger17]

and again i will reply - if it was relevant i would mention it because it would be relevant.

So why is a probation from 7 years ago relevant? Or a shoplifting charge? Why do they matter here?

 

[Prevenger17]

For anyone who was wondering, @Oddball has been arrested numerous times including a drunk and disorderly charge and that's why he won't answer that particular question

 

[PhilM]

1/ yes there was suspicion. there is video of Arbery in a property and running away after he left.
2/ there are logged 911 calls on the day and a month earlier a gun was stolen. the guys who had the gun stolen chased after Arbery and confronted him. one of the guys had a shotgun, Arbery lunged at him and wrestled for the gun which went off 3 times killing Arbery.
the highlighted part of your post is incorrect.

Okay, let's talk about what reasonable suspicion means rather than some erroneous understanding.

Arbery (only confirmed afterwards) was witnessed in an unsecured property and leaving with no items. This would be suspicion of trespassing, not burglary.

There was a previous instance of a male, who resembled Arbery, entering a similar property and again leaving without taking any item. Police confirmed this.

So here's the big bit.... burglaries had been reported to be taking place, but please highlight any evidence to suggest that the offences were in any way linked.

Did Arbery have form for burglary? Did he match any description from those burglaries? Was there any evidence that a burglary had just took place?

Or is it merely okay to go... "Aye, there's been burglaries taking place and we've seen a black man in an open, unsecured house taking no items, so it's him"?

Now here's the interesting part, there was evidence of many individuals entering the said unsecured properties before the incident, including white people.

Were they unlawfully confronted by a ground of men, armed with weapons, which led to a person dying? Unsurprisingly, no. But shouldn't that link have been made?



So we have a group of men making a citizens arrest based on nothing but insufficient evidence (I'm being kind there) and their racist prejudice.

Now, the threat to life part: could it not be argued that three armed men, confronting a man on his own and with no evidence of a firearm, would pose a threat?

Or I could just say that people defending these men clearly have an issue with a black man because he was black.

So why is a probation from 7 years ago relevant? Or a shoplifting charge? Why do they matter here?

I'd ask him whether those three men knew of said probation or charges otherwise it's completely irrelevant.

 

[Oddball]

Yes but according to our resident detective @Oddball , we need to consider why the victim didn’t run to a nearby drive when cornered, why they weren’t familiar to the residents as they run through the area all the time and why they walked through a building site. All valid questions when investigating why 3 men chased an unarmed man and killed him.

Poster was previously called @zed

i`ve done the math and according to my calculations you`ve brought this up 2 or 3 times but carry on, you`re beyond ridicule.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

i`ve done the math and according to my calculations you`ve brought this up 2 or 3 times but carry on, you`re beyond ridicule.

 

[Oddball]

i`ll drive now @Pretender17.

I don't even care if he's "innocent" or not.

you don`t seem to care about any aspect of this incident other than Arbery was black and the guy with the gun was white. you`re like a Sun `journalist` spinning a story to suit your agenda.

 

[Oddball]

I'd ask him whether those three men knew of said probation or charges otherwise it's completely irrelevant.

Arberys probation was not admissible in court. i mentioned the probation at the start of the discussion as probably the reason Arbery ran from the property and tackled the guy with the shotgun. Arbery knew he would be in trouble as he had already had his probation extended. only Arbery had to know that he was on probation for this incident to escalate

 

[PhilM]

Arberys probation was not admissible in court. i mentioned the probation at the start of the discussion as probably the reason Arbery ran from the property and tackled the guy with the shotgun. Arbery knew he would be in trouble as he had already had his probation extended. only Arbery had to know that he was on probation for this incident to escalate

Pure conjecture. The evidence in court suggested it was more likely he was out jogging - a normal pastime - on the day.

Again, you ignore the more probable prospect that he’d been confronted by a man, with a weapon, and may have been attempting to defend himself.

Again, this appears to be the findings of the jury.

 

[Oddball]

Or I could just say that people defending these men clearly have an issue with a black man because he was black.

chat away then Phil.

almost everything is racialised in todays society, the only thing that seems to be deemed newsworthy is if a black man can be seen as the victim. my whole point in this thread has been about the media reporting of incidents and i`ve let myself get side-tracked to some degree by the wailing harridans who can`t/won`t see my point.

or i could just say that people who only view you by the colour of your skin are racist

 

[Prevenger17]

i`ll drive now @Pretender17.

you don`t seem to care about any aspect of this incident other than Arbery was black and the guy with the gun was white. you`re like a Sun `journalist` spinning a story to suit your agenda.

Lol. You are honestly one of the dimmest people who has ever posted on this forum, and that's saying something.

 

[PhilM]

chat away then Phil.

almost everything is racialised in todays society, the only thing that seems to be deemed newsworthy is if a black man can be seen as the victim. my whole point in this thread has been about the media reporting of incidents and i`ve let myself get side-tracked to some degree by the wailing harridans who can`t/won`t see my point.

or i could just say that people who only view you by the colour of your skin are racist

Seen as a victim? He was a victim - of murder. To the last part, this is exactly what the jury found the perpetrators to have done.

The evidence clearly showed: he was a keen jogger; some of the men had previously displayed prejudice; there was no clear evidence of any theft.

They saw a black man, assumed he was guilty and that led to his murder. Nothing Arbery did or didn't do can mitigate against the fact they unlawfully killed him.