Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

[Ruairi77]

Not one person, not one, has answered my question. Would gun control stop the person who determined to kill a lot of people ? They will do it, regardless and nothing will stop them. Removing guns - not " doable " by the way, or even reducing their availability isn't going to work. How many times have you heard " nothing would have stopped him / her, they were determined. I just don't believe gun control is going to stop the crazed gunman. Answer, will gun control stop the crazed, unstable person ?

I'll answer your question. Would gun control stop the person determined to kill a lot of people?
It might. and that's enough.

 

[Ruairi77]

Jammy didn't stop Dunblane, Hungerford which is my point Evil deranged person not going to be stopped. Regardless. NO GUNS but still happened

Is there a chance that if this 18 year old couldn't buy assault rifles, ammo, and body armor legally with no questions asked, that he wouldn't have shot up a school?
is there even a 1% chance of that?

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

I'm not denying it, if that's the evidence, I believe it and I'm not disputing it. What I am questioning is this. Even the States with stricter gun control laws STILL have mass shootings, proving my point. It will not stop the crazed determined gunman. As I say I believe the evidence about stricter gun control laws, will someone not concede my point is a valid one. It doesn't stop the determined person ?

Ah yes, the tried and true "gun control won't stop all gun violence, so why bother" argument.

FFS

 

[Spotty]

I'll answer your question. Would gun control stop the person determined to kill a lot of people?
It might. and that's enough.

No it's not enough. Remove someone's 2nd ammendment " right to bare arms " in the hope it might stop mass shootings , when evidence for its successis shall we say is " inconclusive ".

 

[Ruairi77]

No it's not enough. Remove someone's 2nd ammendment " right to bare arms " in the hope it might stop mass shootings , when evidence for its successis shall we say is " inconclusive ".

no ones talking about removing their right to bear arms (or bare arms).

Do you think there's even the slightest chance the Robb shooting doesn't happen if its harder for this kid to arm himself to the teeth?

 

[LinekersLegs]

Linakers, you cheated. You've been very very selective in highlighting txt that is more " approving " of your standpoint. I deliberately didn't quote, avoided txt that highlighted the points I made but never mind. I thought it was very good piece regardless. Like many, my heart sinks on hearing these shootings. I'm a frequent visitor to the States, love the Country, but gun control, health care and the religious beliefs are very polarising topics for Americans. No matter what the " right to bare arms " is their second ammendment and there's not a cat in hell's chance of gun regulations going through. The topic very sadly, will rear it's ugly head again.

??? I’ve been selective in, checks notes, quoting the entirety of the piece’s conclusion including the “hazy” bit you yourself stated ??!

Some gun control measures have more evidence supporting their implementation than others. And some restrictuons will work better on one issue than another - for instance limiting gun magazine sizes are more likely to have an effect on limiting casualties in a mass shooting than helping reduce our awful suicide levels. Neither of those things mean that there is evidence that all gun control measures are useless.

For a long time the NRA and conservatives restricted gun research - that thankfully has now been changed and I welcome that there is now more available.

Dickey Amendment - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[roydo]

No it's not enough. Remove someone's 2nd ammendment " right to bare arms " in the hope it might stop mass shootings , when evidence for its successis shall we say is " inconclusive ".

Would the NRA etc cry if the "right to bare arms" was maintained, but the type of gun you had the right to carry was restricted to low grade ones, with heavier restrictions on assault rifles and the like?

I mean your constitution has been ammended over the years to more accurately reflect the changing world, so cant see why #2 is so precious that an 18 year old can get his hands on modern kit.

 

[Spotty]

Ah yes, the tried and true "gun control won't stop all gun violence, so why bother" argument.

FFS

Yes " FFS ", that argument. Your going to deny millions upon millions of people's right to bare arms for an argument that isn't nor has ever, been proven to work. Wasn't there some evidence following a shooting in a cinema in New York that was interesting. A fella walked into a cinema and shot six people whilst they were watching a movie. On being interviewed he was asked why, when there were three cinemas in close proximity, he chose THAT cinema to walk into. He said the the one he chose had a strict no gun policy. It was he said " easier " to kill people without being shot at himself. Anecdotal evidence I know but interesting none the less.

 

[Ruairi77]

Yes " FFS ", that argument. Your going to deny millions upon millions of people's right to bare arms for an argument that isn't nor has ever, been proven to work. Wasn't there some evidence following a shooting in a cinema in New York that was interesting. A fella walked into a cinema and shot six people whilst they were watching a movie. On being interviewed he was asked why, when there were three cinemas in close proximity, he chose THAT cinema to walk into. He said the the one he chose had a strict no gun policy. It was he said " easier " to kill people without being shot at himself. Anecdotal evidence I know but interesting none the less.

its 'bear' man, 'bear arms'.

 

[Ruairi77]

also
Do you think there's even the slightest chance the Robb shooting doesn't happen if its harder for this kid to arm himself to the teeth?

 

[Spotty]

Would the NRA etc cry if the "right to bare arms" was maintained, but the type of gun you had the right to carry was restricted to low grade ones, with heavier restrictions on assault rifles and the like?

I mean your constitution has been ammended over the years to more accurately reflect the changing world, so cant see why #2 is so precious that an 18 year old can get his hands on modern kit.

The type of weapon and size of magazines that could be up for diacussions are excellent ones. Dont need a heavy duty assault rifle to defend yourself or home, do you ?

 

[TheBigIguana]

Would the NRA etc cry if the "right to bare arms" was maintained, but the type of gun you had the right to carry was restricted to low grade ones, with heavier restrictions on assault rifles and the like?

I mean your constitution has been ammended over the years to more accurately reflect the changing world, so cant see why #2 is so precious that an 18 year old can get his hands on modern kit.

The NRA doesn't want to pass anything because as soon as they do and it works they know people will want more and more. It is sick and twisted but they're absolutely right, once people realize gun control works it is over for them.

 

[Spotty]

also
Do you think there's even the slightest chance the Robb shooting doesn't happen if its harder for this kid to arm himself to the teeth?

This is the crux of my argument which is nothing will deter the person determined to carry out a mass shooting. The shooting in Plymouth recently is a good case in point. " Bare " that in mind please ( you deserved that, sorry )

 

[roydo]

The type of weapon and size of magazines that could be up for diacussions are excellent ones. Dont need a heavy duty assault rifle to defend yourself or home, do you ?

I dont think you need any gun personally, but I am a Brit, and we are different re guns.

I mean, I would hazard a guess that a massive majority of assault rifle owners are not likely to do much other than sport and hunting with them, so would pass any checks and balances needed to own them anyrate. I also know that gun ownership is ingrained into your (I assume) culture, but a small change to #2 is all thats needed to reduce or eliminate the sort of thing we saw recently.

 

[Prevenger17]

Oh Lol at this guy. I was wondering when one would show up