Presumably just a weird coincidence
US states with more relaxed gun control laws and higher rates of gun ownership have higher rates of mass shootings, reveals a time trends analysis, published today in The BMJ.
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Not one person, not one, has answered my question. Would gun control stop the person who determined to kill a lot of people ? They will do it, regardless and nothing will stop them. Removing guns - not " doable " by the way, or even reducing their availability isn't going to work. How many times have you heard " nothing would have stopped him / her, they were determined. I just don't believe gun control is going to stop the crazed gunman. Answer, will gun control stop the crazed, unstable person ?
I did you silly muffin
I'm not denying it, if that's the evidence, I believe it and I'm not disputing it. What I am questioning is this. Even the States with stricter gun control laws STILL have mass shootings, proving my point. It will not stop the crazed determined gunman. As I say I believe the evidence about stricter gun control laws, will someone not concede my point is a valid one. It doesn't stop the determined person ?Presumably just a weird coincidence
US states with more relaxed gun control laws and higher rates of gun ownership have higher rates of mass shootings, reveals a time trends analysis, published today in The BMJ.
" If there were gun control....agencies would have a greater chance to intervene...". Person, picks up gun, walks into the local shop - 2 minutes away - kills 50 people. No time to respond, he's in there, doing his thing. Your argument falls down at the " walks 2 minutes into the nearest shop ". Scenario I've described - not an impossible or unlikely one either - nullifies every argument for stricter gun controls working. I'm no fan of the NRA but their point about gun control not stopping the slaughter is a very very good one. Why because it just doesn't work at all.
Is this an onion piece? Cracking parody
Does it stop them 100% of the time no - UK has strict gun control and there was still a mass shooting last August
But that was the worst in a decade and there have been no school shootings since Dunblane in 1996 - in contrast they are sadly common here in the US.
I’d happily take any reduction in our mass shootings/gun homicides/suicides
Ask yourself how many mass shootings there have been in the UK. No one but the military are allowed to own military weapons here. That is why why mass shootings are not regular happenings here, but terrifyingly frequent in the USA. The availability of these weapons is what lets these people kill children in classrooms.
Linekerslegs " happily take a reduction in our mass shootings.." this my friend, 100%, but I've included a link to an excellent piece that highlights evidence from a meta analysis on gun control, highlighting the very dubious " hazy " links between States with strict gun controls and States that don't and mass shootings.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-does-gun-control-work
Note the title.
Jammy didn't stop Dunblane, Hungerford which is my point Evil deranged person not going to be stopped. Regardless. NO GUNS but still happened
Note the conclusion
FactCheck verdict
States with tougher gun laws have lower firearms death rates on average and vice versa. FactCheck analysis using available, if imperfect, metrics suggests that the relationship between the two is strong. We estimate that a 10 per cent increase in a state’s “Gun Friendly” score, as measured by one pro-gun organisation, is associated with a 7 per cent rise in gun death rates in the state.But we should be clear: this is a correlation, not proof that one caused the other. And the evidence that high-profile proposals to expand background checks to private sales and ban assault weapons will reduce deaths is surprisingly hazy, according to a major analysis that looked at thousands of research papers.
That said, the same report found “moderate” evidence that some gun control measures can reduce homicides – for example, expanding background checks to cover more domestic abusers.
And it revealed stronger evidence still that removing “stand your ground” laws and restricting children’s accidental access to firearms does save lives.
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Some don't make the news is an understatement. I think the definition is like 4 or 5 wounded. There are probably a dozen of those in some cities alone per year. The vast majority aren't national news. Those that are young, black males especially aren't making it.
Linakers, you cheated. You've been very very selective in highlighting txt that is more " approving " of your standpoint. I deliberately didn't quote, avoided txt that highlighted the points I made but never mind. I thought it was very good piece regardless. Like many, my heart sinks on hearing these shootings. I'm a frequent visitor to the States, love the Country, but gun control, health care and the religious beliefs are very polarising topics for Americans. No matter what the " right to bare arms " is their second ammendment and there's not a cat in hell's chance of gun regulations going through. The topic very sadly, will rear it's ugly head again.
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