Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

[bebo86]

Ah, that explains it then.

There is some absolute nuts in this world

 

[summerisle]

As awful as this is to think about, it’s also the sort of thing that might actually affect a change in some people’s minds. Emmett Till’s mother showing his lynched body was a turning point for the Civil Rights movement, and American attitudes towards Vietnam began to shift once news networks started showing combat footage on the nightly news.

There was an excellent programme on PBS America this week about Emmett Till. I knew a little about it but it was shocking nonetheless. Another programme was also on : The blinding of Isaac Woodward, of which I'd never heard. That also proved a turning point with regards to the issue of segregation.

 

[BlueTX]

You would think police especially would want more gun control to make their jobs and lives much safer too.

The open-carry legislation passed in Texas was adamantly opposed by the police officers associations and police chiefs. Abbott and crew passed it anyway.

Why do they hate cops???

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[hirons11]

Imagine if Liverpool supporters were allowed to carry guns

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Speaking of tone deaf…

The "free" market world...

 

[Tramps_mate]

You are completely missing my point and the context I made it in.

@Noisy noise annoys says we should just ban guns as that would just get rid of all gun crime

My counter point is, in a country with 400 million guns, banning them isn't going to be suddenly stop gun crime. Criminals break the law, that's what they do. Guns being illegal will not stop them using guns, in the same way drugs being illegal doesn't stop drug traffickers. Guns are a force equalizer. It is perfectly legal to own a gun in the UK, we didn't just outright ban them did we

To answer your other point, I don't own a gun and have no desire to, I am not American. I have said in this thread many times that I want to see more restrictions and access to guns in the US, something similar to what Canada does would be ideal. I am approaching the argument from a point of, it is extremely unlikely that America will ever outright ban guns, so what is a solution that both sides could get behind and something like a Canada approach could work. It is not as black and white as you are making out.

Yes we did! Do you know the rules on owning guns in the UK now? You can't even take them home from a gun club unless it's a shot gun!

 

[verreauxi]

 

[LostLegend]

That last highlighted paragraph…
Pretty cut and dry really. What were they doing?

 

[Groucho]

 

[tsubaki]

That last highlighted paragraph…
Pretty cut and dry really. What were they doing?

TBF it is far easier to write things like that in a policy than to actually do them and there are really, really fundamental and deep-seated psychological issues with the vast majority of people when you tell them to do things that they think will get them killed. Anyone can be a hero on paper, but when people are actually faced with incredibly complex, incredibly fast moving and incredibly nightmarish situations that they have to deal with it causes problems.

Not saying the cops were right to do what they did (they acknowledge they weren't) but given what happened in Buffalo - (ex)cop confronts perp, shoots him, gets killed because the perp was wearing body armour - shows the limit of that approach.

 

[TN Toffee]

TBF it is far easier to write things like that in a policy than to actually do them and there are really, really fundamental and deep-seated psychological issues with the vast majority of people when you tell them to do things that they think will get them killed. Anyone can be a hero on paper, but when people are actually faced with incredibly complex, incredibly fast moving and incredibly nightmarish situations that they have to deal with it causes problems.

Not saying the cops were right to do what they did (they acknowledge they weren't) but given what happened in Buffalo - (ex)cop confronts perp, shoots him, gets killed because the perp was wearing body armour - shows the limit of that approach.

You’re right, but the obviously the real issue is the availability of guns which in turn creates the need for a PD to write that sort of doctrine, and for officers to then be expected to adhere to it.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[LinekersLegs]