Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

[LinekersLegs]

I can sort of understand a lone copper with a pea shooter feeling nervous in trying to break a door down and tackle someone with a semi auto rifle without back up but 19 officers? Cowardly that.

That is the requirement though - made clear in all police manuals and training on how to respond to an active shooter.

Yeah it is horrid but so is kids getting shot and if they are shooting at you that is one less bullet that they are shooting at 10:year old kids who are unarmed and not wearing protective gear and are far less likely to survive a gunshot.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

That is the requirement though - made clear in all police manuals and training on how to respond to an active shooter.

Yeah it is horrid but so is kids getting shot and if they are shooting at you that is one less bullet that they are shooting at 10:year old kids who are unarmed and not wearing protective gear and are far less likely to survive a gunshot.

Yeah I do agree but I imagine in that scenario you also think about the real possibility of not coming home to your wife and kids that evening as soon as you get through that locked door you're as good as gone if the assailant hasn't already blasted you through the door itself depending on what its constructed of.

The solution is simple - keep gun laws as they are if needs be but ban high powered semi auto rifles.

 

[BlueTX]

Where do I sign up?

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[LinekersLegs]

 

[Wizard]

Ah, computer games. It’s amazing the way they bring out all the greatest hits to try and deflect from the glaring gun toting elephant in the room

 

[BlueTX]

That is the requirement though - made clear in all police manuals and training on how to respond to an active shooter.

Yeah it is horrid but so is kids getting shot and if they are shooting at you that is one less bullet that they are shooting at 10:year old kids who are unarmed and not wearing protective gear and are far less likely to survive a gunshot.

It's not actually a requirement. It may be what is suggested as best practice and they may or may not train for it but in the United States of America there is NO legal requirement for an officer to stop violent acts between persons - even if they know in advance the act will occur. Only if a person is in custody are the police bound to do so by law.

Officers in Parkland actually fled the scene of the shooting. They couldn't even get properly fired. An arbitration panel and court both ruled they get reinstated to the police department as well as back pay.

 

[LinekersLegs]

It's not actually a requirement. It may be what is suggested as best practice and they may or may not train for it but in the United States of America there is NO legal requirement for an officer to stop violent acts between persons - even if they know in advance the act will occur. Only if a person is in custody are the police bound to do so by law.

Officers in Parkland actually fled the scene of the shooting. They couldn't even get properly fired. An arbitration panel and court both ruled they get reinstated to the police department as well as back pay.

Sadly true, I should have phrased it better,

And as @riddick pointed out earlier the Supreme Court has also blessed that police, despite taxpayers being required to pay them, do not in return have a legal right to provide protection.

 

[verreauxi]

 

[PhilM]

It's not actually a requirement. It may be what is suggested as best practice and they may or may not train for it but in the United States of America there is NO legal requirement for an officer to stop violent acts between persons - even if they know in advance the act will occur. Only if a person is in custody are the police bound to do so by law.

Officers in Parkland actually fled the scene of the shooting. They couldn't even get properly fired. An arbitration panel and court both ruled they get reinstated to the police department as well as back pay.

Really? That's shameful. Here in the UK, the preservation of life and protection of property sits firmly at the top and you're obliged to do so.

Peel even talked about individual sacrifice in doing so. If you're a cop and don't understand the requirements, don't take the role.

 

[verreauxi]

What a load. Shall we return to segregated schools? Shall we have state secession from the union?

The Republican-led SCOTUS that decided Roe v Wade had just as deep of an understanding of the 10th Amendment as the current SCOTUS. What differs today v then is the political and cultural motivation behind the interpretation of the Constitution - not some deeper understanding or appreciation for "original intent". That phrase is window dressing masking judicial activism.

And they basically decided the 9th and 14th amendments trumps the 10th amendment. What's crazy after that ruling is that more Republicans were in favor of it (establishing a constitutional right to abortion) than Democrats at the time.

 

[PhilM]

I keep hearing American's describing the 'Second Amendment' as if it is sacrosanct. The clue is in the name - amendment. That means changes are allowed.

Repeal the thing; change it to remove semi-automatic weapons; make the necessary changes whatever they are.

 

[woodsyni]

Just been watching news coverage of the shootings. Had to walk away as the usual sh*te excuses are rolled out. Someone killed kids!!!! Everyone seems a bit upset, like, but totally resigned to the fact that that's the way things are. "Arm the teachers" as hordes of police wait outside (possibly) tasing parents who wanted to intervene. Arm the fecking teachers??? In what world is anyone thinking this is ok? In what world does anyone still think this is normal? In what world does anyone think this is an acceptable price to pay for 'freedom'?

Yes, I'm upset. Yes, I know it's 'complicated'. Yes, I know I'm not from America so can't 'understand' but you're not going to tell me that this is anything other than 'f*ucked up'.

If you are 'pro-gun-rights-freedom-whatever-you-want-to-call-not-wanting-to-be-inconvenienced' then, at least, spare me the crocodile tears you shed every time a bunch of wain's get murdered.

Not entering a row but I guarantee there's not a single grieving parent in Texas against some sort of action on guns. AARGHHHH!

Everyone knows there's no easy solution but, ffs, TRY!!! I'm more than willing to give up a few things if it saves a single child's life.

If you can't see THAT, America, you're f*cked!

 

[LinekersLegs]

Just been watching news coverage of the shootings. Had to walk away as the usual sh*te excuses are rolled out. Someone killed kids!!!! Everyone seems a bit upset, like, but totally resigned to the fact that that's the way things are. "Arm the teachers" as hordes of police wait outside (possibly) tasing parents who wanted to intervene. Arm the fecking teachers??? In what world is anyone thinking this is ok? In what world does anyone still think this is normal? In what world does anyone think this is an acceptable price to pay for 'freedom'?

Yes, I'm upset. Yes, I know it's 'complicated'. Yes, I know I'm not from America so can't 'understand' but you're not going to tell me that this is anything other than 'f*ucked up'.

If you are 'pro-gun-rights-freedom-whatever-you-want-to-call-not-wanting-to-be-inconvenienced' then, at least, spare me the crocodile tears you shed every time a bunch of wain's get murdered.

Not entering a row but I guarantee there's not a single grieving parent in Texas against some sort of action on guns. AARGHHHH!

Everyone knows there's no easy solution but, ffs, TRY!!! I'm more than willing to give up a few things if it saves a single child's life.

If you can't see THAT, America, you're f*cked!

Unfortunately it is the genuine belief of a non small percentage of the population, even if they have lost someone to gun violence, that gun control is not the solution.

Parkland shooting victim's father says focus on gun control, not solutions, is why this 'happens'

Andrew Pollack, whose daughter was killed in the Parkland school shooting in 2018, told Fox News Digital that states haven't learned from past school shootings.

www.foxnews.com

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[woodsyni]

Unfortunately it is the genuine belief of a non small percentage of the population, even if they have lost someone to gun violence, that gun control is not the solution.

Parkland shooting victim's father says focus on gun control, not solutions, is why this 'happens'

Andrew Pollack, whose daughter was killed in the Parkland school shooting in 2018, told Fox News Digital that states haven't learned from past school shootings.

www.foxnews.com

Fair comment, LL but it's probably the same people who believe that "God called the children home" rather than "God sent a psychopath to massacre innocents".

Ignore me. I'm upset.