Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

[trueblue84]

Imagine they stood around and waited for an hour wrestling parents to the ground who just wanted to try to save their kids whilst an active shooter murdered 19 of them. Since Columbine the rules of engagement for a school shooting is for the police to get in there as fast as possible. Apparently Texas didn't get the memo.

It's not that easy. We had similar with the Manchester arena bombing. "Why didn't the emergency services react faster?", "Why didn't the police stop the bomber before he was able to kill people?". They follow process, but until the event happens, you don't know if the process is watertight.

Then you factor in the people element. You don't know how you'd react in that situation.

Blaming the police reaction doesn't solve the problem. If the police had stormed the building and killed the gunman after he'd only killed 10 kids, would that be ok? What if they'd stormed the building and accidently shot a teacher, or the gunman killed more people (including police officers) in reaction?

The only question that really needs answering is why an 18 year old was able to buy a number of automatic weapons and a significant amount of ammunition with no real effort or checkpoints?

 

[PhilM]

It's not that easy. We had similar with the Manchester arena bombing. "Why didn't the emergency services react faster?", "Why didn't the police stop the bomber before he was able to kill people?". They follow process, but until the event happens, you don't know if the process is watertight.

Then you factor in the people element. You don't know how you'd react in that situation.

Blaming the police reaction doesn't solve the problem. If the police had stormed the building and killed the gunman after he'd only killed 10 kids, would that be ok? What if they'd stormed the building and accidently shot a teacher, or the gunman killed more people (including police officers) in reaction?

The only question that really needs answering is why an 18 year old was able to buy a number of automatic weapons and a significant amount of ammunition with no real effort or checkpoints?

I don't know the ins and outs of the situation (e.g. when did the police arrive on scene, when did they enter etc.) so can't comment on those specific elements.

But to an extent you're right. In this situation, you'd suspect an outer cordon would have been formed (a picket so to speak). Were they those officers?

During an active operation/engagement, it may feel uncomfortable but you have to show a level of caution - e.g. consider potential suspects.

If they did the above and still did not go in, that's wrong. If these officers have been tasked to contain the situation while others deploy, that's different.

If @riddick's scenario is correct where they stood by as he actively shot kids rather than engaging him, shame on them (the police as a whole).

 

[trueblue84]

I don't know the ins and outs of the situation (e.g. when did the police arrive on scene, when did they enter etc.) so can't comment on those specific elements.

But to an extent you're right. In this situation, you'd suspect an outer cordon would have been formed (a picket so to speak). Were they those officers?

During an active operation/engagement, it may feel uncomfortable but you have to show a level of caution - e.g. consider potential suspects.

If they did the above and still did not go in, that's wrong. If these officers have been tasked to contain the situation while others deploy, that's different.

If @riddick's scenario is correct where they stood by as he actively shot kids rather than engaging him, shame on them (the police as a whole).

That's why social media is so toxic. There's no context to that video. It looks like they are just standing around but they are likely protecting the perimeter, like you say. Somebody has to stop parents trying to enter the building and protect them if they are in danger.

Calling the police cowards without that information is unfair.

 

[spectateur]

I have no comment on this tragedy except to say that I can noway understand how an 18yo youth can be legally able to buy a military grade weapon and ammunition to go with it.
How can supposedly the most advanced nation on the planet allow this.

 

[trueblue84]

I have no comment on this tragedy except to say that I can noway understand how an 18yo youth can be legally able to buy a military grade weapon and ammunition to go with it.
How can supposedly the most advanced nation on the planet allow this.

I think when a country is called "advanced", its in reference to everything except the people. People are still as dumb as they were at the time of the dinosaurs. We're just in nicer clothes.

 

[Parker]

I have no comment on this tragedy except to say that I can noway understand how an 18yo youth can be legally able to buy a military grade weapon and ammunition to go with it.
How can supposedly the most advanced nation on the planet allow this.

Can't legally drink a beer but can buy a weapon to shoot up a primary school.

And the backwards ghouls use a document over 200 years old, a time where most people crapped in a bucket and lashed it into the street, to back up their twisted view of their "freedoms".

I can't even put myself in the mindset to understand where these people are coming from.

 

[carolinablue232]

Good reporting that. Asked the real questions, and when Cruz was beat he took his ball and went home because there is no answer he could actually spin there.

 

[emir]

This is what would happen in a civilised country

So civilized countries in Europe that have had numerous fascist uprisings take place in the last 200 years without any resistance from the people? Sure.

 

[emir]

Exactly!
The rest of the world looks on in disbelief as Americans defend their dated “rights” while children are being murdered

Over 50 school shootings in the US this year!! There has been one in the UK in my 47 years! No guns-no shootings. Rather simple

Over 50? I don't believe those figures and I think there's a catch with those numbers.

 

[emir]

God yes

Repealing the 2nd amendment isn't the will of the American people.

 

[emir]

Which version of the Second Amendment do you support, the one understood for nearly 200 years or the modern interpretation?

I support the modern interpretation which involves having background checks and mental health screening, but the 2nd amendment is a protected right for the American citizens. The values of the 2nd amendment is how America was formed and its identity was built on.

 

[DanEFC92]

Good reporting that. Asked the real questions, and when Cruz was beat he took his ball and went home because there is no answer he could actually spin there.

Safest country in the world??

 

[carolinablue232]

Safest country in the world??

Cruz is an idiot.

 

[TN Toffee]

So civilized countries in Europe that have had numerous fascist uprisings take place in the last 200 years without any resistance from the people? Sure.

Ummm…there was a borderline fascist uprising here in the US less than 18 months ago. Curiously, the very people who argue that the elementary school children who die in these massacres are necessary sacrifices so that they can keep their guns to defend against a tyrannical government were not only NOT using their weapons to throw off the shackles of these tyrants, they were subverting democracy and storming the halls of government to keep the tyrants in power.

 

[trueblue84]

I support the modern interpretation which involves having background checks and mental health screening, but the 2nd amendment is a protected right for the American citizens. The values of the 2nd amendment is how America was formed and its identity was built on.

Obviously not, you dolt. It's an amendment. That means they looked at the original constitution and said "you know what... Our laws aren't suitable for the current world we live in. Let's update them". There is no law that can't be changed.