Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

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Tubey said:
So am I, but I'm also of the opinion that a member of the public shouldn't resist arrest and attempt to flee in a car.

It's two stupid mistakes, yet the narrative is to not talk about the first stupid mistake that led to the second.
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The narrative swings toward the dead 20 year old making a mistake that shouldnt result in the end of his life. Naturally so I think. And it feeds into an already startling pattern of police killing people for trivial things, whether they are compliant or not.

Nobody is saying that he should have attempted to flee, we're arguing that he shouldn't be dead because of it
 
Prevenger17 said:
The narrative swings toward the dead 20 year old making a mistake that shouldnt result in the end of his life. Naturally so I think. And it feeds into an already startling pattern of police killing people for trivial things, whether they are compliant or not.

Nobody is saying that he should have attempted to flee, we're arguing that he shouldn't be dead because of it
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Nobody thinks he should be - it was an error. The officer screams in shock when she fires.

Yet that mistake doesn't happen if the idiot doesn't resist arrest. This isn't a racially motivated police shooting, and it'd be useful if instead of protesting every and any incident people applied context instead, because it dilutes everything.
 
TN Toffee said:
It doesn't seem to be the type of school shooting that fits into the traditional narrative where a pissed off kid shows up at school with a gun to get revenge on his classmates. The school is actually in a pretty rough part of town where there can be a lot of gang/drug related violence. I think this is actually the forth or fifth time in the past year that a student has been shot and killed in the immediate vicinity of the school, just the first time it happened inside the school itself.
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I meant in the overall sense. It’s hardly less ****ed up than the other kind, just in a completely different way. The fourth or fifth time ffs
 
Tubey said:
Yet that mistake doesn't happen if the idiot doesn't resist arrest. This isn't a racially motivated police shooting, and it'd be useful if instead of protesting every and any incident people applied context instead, because it dilutes everything.
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Yes, we know all this. He shouldnt have tried to run. We all agree on that. Where has someone said he absolutely should have resisted arrest?

Now we're at the part where we see how a young man who was stopped for a traffic violation has ended up dead. People shouldn't die for mistakes and misdemeanours, and the onus should be on people with guns and authority to exercise restraint.

Why is his mistake of running the bit where you stop and her mistake for pulling out a gun and shooting him dead is not even worth mentioning?
 
Tubey said:
Nobody thinks he should be - it was an error. The officer screams in shock when she fires.

Yet that mistake doesn't happen if the idiot doesn't resist arrest. This isn't a racially motivated police shooting, and it'd be useful if instead of protesting every and any incident people applied context instead, because it dilutes everything.
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So just a weird coincidence that all the times when this has happened as far as I can tell it has been black people that have been shot?

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In one of most well-known cases, a transit officer responding to a fight at a train station in Oakland, California, killed 22-year-old Oscar Grant in 2009. The officer, Johannes Mehserle, testified at trial that, fearing Grant had a weapon, he reached for his stun gun but mistakenly pulled his .40-caliber handgun instead. Grant was shot as he lay face down. Mehserle was convicted of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to two years in prison. His department paid $2.8 million to Grant’s daughter and her mother.

In Tulsa, Oklahoma, a white volunteer sheriff’s deputy, Robert Bates, accidentally fired his handgun when he meant to deploy his stun gun on an unarmed Black man, Eric Harris, who was being held down by other officers in 2015. Bates apologized for killing Harris but described his deadly mistake as a common problem in law enforcement, saying: “This has happened a number of times around the country… You must believe me, it can happen to anyone.” Bates was convicted of second-degree manslaughter and sentenced to four years in prison. Tulsa County ultimately agreed to pay $6 million to Harris’ estate to settle a federal civil rights lawsuit.

In 2019, a suburban St. Louis police officer, Julia Crews, said she meant to use her stun gun but mistakenly grabbed her service revolver and shot a suspected shoplifter, Ashley Hall, who suffered serious injuries. Crews resigned and has pleaded not guilty to a pending charge of second-degree assault. The city of Ladue admitted no wrongdoing as part of a $2 million settlement with Hall.
 
LinekersLegs said:
So just a weird coincidence that all the times when this has happened as far as I can tell it has been black people that have been shot?

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In one of most well-known cases, a transit officer responding to a fight at a train station in Oakland, California, killed 22-year-old Oscar Grant in 2009. The officer, Johannes Mehserle, testified at trial that, fearing Grant had a weapon, he reached for his stun gun but mistakenly pulled his .40-caliber handgun instead. Grant was shot as he lay face down. Mehserle was convicted of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to two years in prison. His department paid $2.8 million to Grant’s daughter and her mother.

In Tulsa, Oklahoma, a white volunteer sheriff’s deputy, Robert Bates, accidentally fired his handgun when he meant to deploy his stun gun on an unarmed Black man, Eric Harris, who was being held down by other officers in 2015. Bates apologized for killing Harris but described his deadly mistake as a common problem in law enforcement, saying: “This has happened a number of times around the country… You must believe me, it can happen to anyone.” Bates was convicted of second-degree manslaughter and sentenced to four years in prison. Tulsa County ultimately agreed to pay $6 million to Harris’ estate to settle a federal civil rights lawsuit.

In 2019, a suburban St. Louis police officer, Julia Crews, said she meant to use her stun gun but mistakenly grabbed her service revolver and shot a suspected shoplifter, Ashley Hall, who suffered serious injuries. Crews resigned and has pleaded not guilty to a pending charge of second-degree assault. The city of Ladue admitted no wrongdoing as part of a $2 million settlement with Hall.
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Have you seen the video?

If you think that's anything other than an accident I don't know what to tell you.
 
Mr. White said:
Yet again, non-compliance. Everything was calm and orderly, and he decided to wrestle free, get back in the car and make a run for it. Not much sympathy.
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If you're going to say all this you have to complete the thought out loud. Next time make sure you finish with "so he deserved to die." Because that's what you're trying to say and it helps everyone if you make it absolutely clear.
 
Tubey said:
Have you seen the video?

If you think that's anything other than an accident I don't know what to tell you.
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It can still be both an accident and also caused by systemic racial issues, one does not preclude the other.

Would the officer have even reached for their taser if the exact same altercation had happened but with a white person? Was there subconscious bias? You immediately rule out bias but I don’t think we have the information to make that assessment.
 
TheBigIguana said:
Fact check this for me but he also doesn't get killed if the cop doesn't shoot him
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The cop doesn't shoot him if he doesn't resist arrest.

Can go round in circles all you want, but it comes back to that - while he didn't deserve to be shot, he created the situation where the mistake could happen.

If he complied, he'd be alive now.
 
LinekersLegs said:
It can still be both an accident and also caused by systemic racial issues, one does not preclude the other.

Would the officer have even reached for their taser if the exact same altercation had happened but with a white person? Was there subconscious bias? You immediately rule out bias but O don’t think we have the information to make that assessment.
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Of course he would, the guy broke out of an arrest and attempted to speed away in a vehicle.

Black or not, he's tased in that situation.

Is their racial bias in American policing? God yes. Was this an example of it? No.
 
Tubey said:
The cop doesn't shoot him if he doesn't resist arrest.

Can go round in circles all you want, but it comes back to that - while he didn't deserve to be shot, he created the situation where the mistake could happen.

If he complied, he'd be alive now.
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I think a healthy society would have a higher bar for justifying killing a person
 
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