Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

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I absolutely abhor that channel with every fibre of my being. If I see it on in a bar I ask the bartender to turn it off. Get yelled at "Why you turning it off??" You want "news", turn on the local channel.

The day can't come quick enough when that channel is regulated.

They've taken Fox off the news here (at least Sky) and I miss it so much; you can never understand the reaction of much of the population to events in the US - Obama winning (especially the second time), Trump winning, the reaction to this type of shooting, the reaction to this type of shooting when it turns out its a Muslim behind it - without watching how Fox reports them.

Otherwise you'd just look at the opioid epidemic and look at who is in power and just assume people were wasted when they vote.
 
Out of interest, are there any American blues here who actually own guns? If so, how old where you when you got your first? Have you ever had to use it? Do you know anyone who's ever been hurt or lost their life to a gun?

The cultural differences are so stark, over here the idea of even seeing a gun with live rounds in it, in the flesh, gives me the willies. The only people who have them here seemingly are criminals or the police (serious SWAT team level, not street cops). If I found out someone I knew owned one I'd keep well away, they're very much taboo.

I own two guns. A Browning 9mm and and old .38 revolver. Haven't broken them out in years. I was probably in college when I got my first one. I've never had to use it but about five years ago, I stopped myself and my family from becoming crime victims but just showing it to the perpetrator. He backed off quickly and left the scene. Funny part was it wasn't loaded at the time. He didn't know that though. I've never known anyone personally who was hurt or lost their life by gunfire.

Believe it or not, I'm not some gun nut. My son however has an interest in shooting target rifles so we've enrolled him in a local rifle club that uses target rifles. There he'll get proper instruction and respect for how to handle a rifle, the ammunition, etc....

You are certainly correct in the cultural differences. Most people in rural Texas grew up with them. Heck, you'll still see pickup trucks with the gun rack in the back and a hunting rifle. No one here gives something like that a second thought. But if it's not a culture you grew up in, then yeah, I'd understand exactly where you're coming from.
 
Texas police woman enters stranger's apartment and shoots them dead. Interested to see if she gets the murder charge she deserves.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45450558
Her story is very fishy. Parking on the wrong level of the garage I can somewhat understand if you have had a hard day and not really concentrating too much. But not noticing door was slightly ajar and ignoring the bright red doormat in the hallway outside his door? Not switching on the light when she entered? Enough light to be able to tell there was a person there not wasn’t “complying” with your commands and be able to shoot but not enough light to tell it wasn’t your own apartment...and all of this presumably sober?
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/dallas/article218117695.html
 
Her story is very fishy. Parking on the wrong level of the garage I can somewhat understand if you have had a hard day and not really concentrating too much. But not noticing door was slightly ajar and ignoring the bright red doormat in the hallway outside his door? Not switching on the light when she entered? Enough light to be able to tell there was a person there not wasn’t “complying” with your commands and be able to shoot but not enough light to tell it wasn’t your own apartment...and all of this presumably sober?
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/dallas/article218117695.html
Yeah started out a bit weird and has gotten even weirder. Super tired to make all these balls ups but still able to kill shot the dude with a single round.
 
Out of interest, are there any American blues here who actually own guns? If so, how old where you when you got your first? Have you ever had to use it? Do you know anyone who's ever been hurt or lost their life to a gun?

The cultural differences are so stark, over here the idea of even seeing a gun with live rounds in it, in the flesh, gives me the willies. The only people who have them here seemingly are criminals or the police (serious SWAT team level, not street cops). If I found out someone I knew owned one I'd keep well away, they're very much taboo.

I bought a 9mm (legally) when I was about 22/23. After I got married the wife and I would go target shooting in the country a few times a year, When we had first child she said she wasn't comfortable having the gun in the house (guns safes are optional), so I sold it, no biggie. Never used besides shooting beer bottles, milk jugs and such.

Growing up in the South, I was around a lot people that had guns, hunting mainly. Deer hunting is huge in my part of the world, but I've never hunted. Not a moral thing, but it seems like a lot of work, and I prefer a burger or steak, and you don't have to hunt cows! Also my Dad was a paraplegic, so needless to say, I didn't grow up going out info fields or up in deer stands or duck blinds with him. He did have 2 pistols, and when I was about 13 or so, he taught me how to shoot them, clean them, but we only shot them out in the country a few times. To this day, most of the people that I know that own guns are actually hunters (but they may own pistols too). The only friends I have that actually have permits and carry guns on their person are police officers.

The only person I know hurt or killed was a friend from high school I played football and basketball with. He was killed in the line of duty about 11 years ago, sadly. Otherwise, luckily, I haven't ever had a friend or family member shot.

https://www.odmp.org/officer/18725-deputy-sheriff-kevin-carper

But yes, it is a HUGE cultural difference. They are significant differences in the US as well, in large part due to geography. I am in one of the most conservative parts of the US, lots of open land, where hunting is commonly passed down at a very early age, often as a rite of passage or sorts. That is a huge cultural difference than someone growing up in say, metro Pittsburgh. I am comfortable around guns, or shooting them and they don't make me nervous - but to be fair, the friends of mine that do own them are my age, 40-50ish level-headed types, not testosterone driven goofballs. But I don't really felt the need to own one or keep one around, so I don't.
 
Yeah started out a bit weird and has gotten even weirder. Super tired to make all these balls ups but still able to kill shot the dude with a single round.

Other than her incredibly odd story it’s odd that she’s only been charged with manslaughter as that effectively says the cops already know it definitely wasn’t murder. Which they can’t.

Flip it so the black guy had a hard day accounting and comes back to wrong flat and shoots the cop. There’s no way they’d accept that excuse and now way he’d get bail.
 
Other than her incredibly odd story it’s odd that she’s only been charged with manslaughter as that effectively says the cops already know it definitely wasn’t murder. Which they can’t.
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I wouldn't read too much into the manslaughter charge. They were under a lot of pressure (rightfully) to arrest her, and it's easier (and faster) to get a warrant issued for manslaughter than it is for murder. The prosecutor can modify the charge or add charges as the investigation unfolds - but it was important to begin the process.

Police Chief Renee Hall said at a news conference on Friday that the incident appears to be a "very unique situation".
Unrelated to the issue and irrelevant to the situation, uggg that's a pet peeve, especially from someone in a leadership position.
It can't be kinda or very unique. It's unique or it's not, period.
 
If that quote or transcript of Dana Loesch is even remotely accurate or remotely in context (and I have no reason to suspect that it's not), that statement is absolutely indefensible. Black-hole stupid.

And yes, this is coming from a republican (who has never supported or been in the NRA).
 
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