Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread
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As much as gun control of some sort us necessary I'm not particularly in favour of these kids bearing the responsibility and burden of a nation.
To me it feels like some are being exploited by sections of the media to address the narrative of gun control.
I just wonder where this will all end ? I don't think it'll be how they've been told it will and unfortunately the impact of such may have a lasting effect on them.
To me it feels like some are being exploited by sections of the media to address the narrative of gun control.
I just wonder where this will all end ? I don't think it'll be how they've been told it will and unfortunately the impact of such may have a lasting effect on them.
I wouldn’t worry so much about the possible failure of activism having a lasting effect on them, I’d be far more concerned about the lasting effects of seeing your classmates getting killed.
I'm starting to nurture a quiet hope that something may change here. Which feels as strange as hope normally does to an Everton fan
And, now, competing for the title of "Mr. Truly Stupid, 2018", we have an entry from Rick Santorum:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/25/politics/rick-santorum-guns-cnntv/index.html
Washington (CNN)CNN commentator and former Pennsylvania GOP Sen. Rick Santorum on Sunday suggested students protesting for gun control legislation would be better served by taking CPR classes and preparing for active shooter scenarios.
"How about kids instead of looking to someone else to solve their problem, do something about maybe taking CPR classes or trying to deal with situations that when there is a violent shooter that you can actually respond to that," Santorum said on CNN's "State of the Union."
Of course, there were more than a few responses pointing out that CPR is traditionally not an effective treatment for gunshot wounds.....
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/25/politics/rick-santorum-guns-cnntv/index.html
Washington (CNN)CNN commentator and former Pennsylvania GOP Sen. Rick Santorum on Sunday suggested students protesting for gun control legislation would be better served by taking CPR classes and preparing for active shooter scenarios.
"How about kids instead of looking to someone else to solve their problem, do something about maybe taking CPR classes or trying to deal with situations that when there is a violent shooter that you can actually respond to that," Santorum said on CNN's "State of the Union."
Of course, there were more than a few responses pointing out that CPR is traditionally not an effective treatment for gunshot wounds.....
He's a weird chap that Santorum. But aside from the fact that CPR is mostly useless in such a scenario, he does the common thing of trying to make the argument about a failure of response instead of a failure of prevention
Of course - blame the students for their choice of response (a failure in his POV) rather than blaming responsible authorities (local & national, executive & legislative) for their lack of action.
I'm on the verge of tears by the time we arrive at Espace, since I'm positive we won't have a decent table. But we do, and relief washes over me in an awesome wave.
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Responding to this post in this thread as think it probably more on topic here.
Whilst it is understandable that people who knew Sterling describe him charitably, personally see no value in making Sterling out as saintly for those that didn’t as think deliberately skewing facts calls into question the rest of any reasoning you use in a debate. Also implicit in it is some sort of acceptance that it is OK if law enforcement or criminial justice system errs against those whose life has been less than perfect. Agree Sterling’s prior history does certainly play some part in hindsight analysis of determining whether he was likely to use his gun, I’m just don’t think it outweighs the descriptions that he was under two police officers who had other means to subdue him and that one officer had reportedly already had a gun to his head and said “I’m going to kill you”.
Unfortunately we both agree that there are more straightforward cases like Shaver or Scott but still think that deaths such as Sterlings are worth investigating as these circumstances (someone who had a criminal history and also carrying a gun) probably account for the bulk of police shootings and are more likely to highlight ways to both a) stop a felon from getting a gun in the first place b) identify problems in police training/equipment/response that resulted in death rather than a conviction for resisting arrest.
Addressing your second point I don’t believe that there is a contagion of police corruption and abuse (although I do believe there are training and culture issues which we can get into separately). However even if I did I don’t see how possessing a gun would help as you can’t outshoot a corrupt police department, you can only reform it. Possession of a gun would probably help with third party threats but I still think a better solution is to have a trained and trustworthy police force that can respond effectively when called, not least because that also protects those not capable of handing their own firearms like the young, ill or disabled.
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