Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

Status
Not open for further replies.
LinekersLegs said:
I’m mainly pointing out the hypocrisy, Trump hasn’t let “it is a local issue” stop him from wading into anything else, including getting into arguments with London’s mayor over his policies .

Yet Trump has been very silent on even the most obvious miscarriages of domestic justice, like Castile. We both agree that these are very valid topics for him to discuss so if he believes that the proper procedures were followed in the Sterling case I don’t see why Trump shouldn’t comment on that, rather than a transparent dodge like this.

FWIW I have seen many people disagree with the notion that Sterling was a “justified shoot”, primarily given that there were two cops with tasers/spray/batons lots of options available without using lethal force and that he wasn’t an active threat despite resisting arrest. This conservative lawyer from North Carolina being one.

However I haven’t watched the video myself and am not going to as find them too distressing.
.
Click to expand...


All of that is reasonable but I think you totally understand why Trump wouldn't comment. Anything Trump says in defense of this decision, regardless of the merits of the decision, will be used to argue Trump doesn't care about minorities. I think we both know that to be true.

So, in this case, Trump has no political advantage to be gained. Perhaps he could score points with Trump loyalists by inflaming the situation, but I don't think either of us wants that. There are probably countless examples of Trump's hypocrisy, just as I think the media is highly hypocritical in their handling of Trump and just as pretty much any politician we identify is probably subject to the label. Maybe Trump is worse than all of them. But all that aside, it's rational for him to avoid this subject because 1) It's not in his wheelhouse 2) it will be used against him and 3) if he decides speak out in typical Trump fashion, it'll merely make things worse anyway.

As for Sterling, he was a violent felon accused of moments before threatening someone with a gun. He was illegally in possession of said gun. He had a long list of prior offenses, including sexual offenses with a minor. Whether or not it was a good police decision beyond merely justifiable, I don't know. I'm not a cop and I don't know how "real" the threat seemed to those cops. Nonetheless, I think he's likely a bad example to use in the very real discussion about police overreach in this country.

Seeing some of the same people who this weekend talked about the need to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and how cops should be the only ones with guns, now, three days later, portraying Sterling as a saintly victim and making excuses for his felony possession of a firearm...is baffling.
 
Pettifogger said:
All of that is reasonable but I think you totally understand why Trump wouldn't comment. Anything Trump says in defense of this decision, regardless of the merits of the decision, will be used to argue Trump doesn't care about minorities. I think we both know that to be true.

So, in this case, Trump has no political advantage to be gained. Perhaps he could score points with Trump loyalists by inflaming the situation, but I don't think either of us wants that. There are probably countless examples of Trump's hypocrisy, just as I think the media is highly hypocritical in their handling of Trump and just as pretty much any politician we identify is probably subject to the label. Maybe Trump is worse than all of them. But all that aside, it's rational for him to avoid this subject because 1) It's not in his wheelhouse 2) it will be used against him and 3) if he decides speak out in typical Trump fashion, it'll merely make things worse anyway.

As for Sterling, he was a violent felon accused of moments before threatening someone with a gun. He was illegally in possession of said gun. He had a long list of prior offenses, including sexual offenses with a minor. Whether or not it was a good police decision beyond merely justifiable, I don't know. I'm not a cop and I don't know how "real" the threat seemed to those cops. Nonetheless, I think he's likely a bad example to use in the very real discussion about police overreach in this country.

Seeing some of the same people who this weekend talked about the need to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and how cops should be the only ones with guns, now, three days later, portraying Sterling as a saintly victim and making excuses for his felony possession of a firearm...is baffling.
Click to expand...
Fair points in your first couple of paragraphs, there probably is little upside in he speaking and if he did it would likely inflame an already tense situation.

Completely disagree with your fourth. I don't see anyone saying that Sterling was saintly or excusing his possession of a gun - just that neither resisting arrest nor felony possession of a firearm seems sufficient justification for being killed. You can simultaneously believe that police should be the only ones with guns and to also expect that the criteria to discharge those guns be high.

And yes you are right, there are unfortunately lots of other far more clear cut examples of police overreach.
 
riddick said:
Because it takes contrition and admittance to alleviate the sins. Not only has Trump never shown any remorse, he's boasted about it. Complete and utter hypocrisy by "Christians"
Click to expand...

Ah so they've forgiven Obama and Hillary then? Oh no, they're still the devil incarnate.
 

I’m honestly confused by the messaging on this - are Cohen and his lawyers admitting that Donald Trump is David Dennison? Just that Trump didn’t know about the NDA and Cohen had complete control to “fix” issues by paying hush money to whoever he thought was a problem without checking the veracity of their claims with Trump?
 
LinekersLegs said:
Fair points in your first couple of paragraphs, there probably is little upside in he speaking and if he did it would likely inflame an already tense situation.

Completely disagree with your fourth. I don't see anyone saying that Sterling was saintly or excusing his possession of a gun - just that neither resisting arrest nor felony possession of a firearm seems sufficient justification for being killed. You can simultaneously believe that police should be the only ones with guns and to also expect that the criteria to discharge those guns be high.

And yes you are right, there are unfortunately lots of other far more clear cut examples of police overreach.
Click to expand...

Unfortunately, I do see the hypocrisy of people making Sterling into a cult hero (in my personal relationships, at least). I agree that criminal history does not render an action correct, nor does felony possession merit death. I'm not at all on board with the movement that thinks police have no responsibility to withdraw from dangerous situations and should respond with deadly force for any act of noncompliance ("comply or die"). That said, I don't think we're dealing with a particularly egregious situation with Sterling. He is a violent felon, and while I have no clue whether the cops knew that, it is certainly of some value in our hindsight analysis. Unlike many other examples, he actually did have a gun.

That belief aside, it's not necessary for my belief about the hypocrisy at play. If you believe there is a contagion of police abuse and corruption, it's incredibly pie in the sky to tell me that police should be the only gun owners. First, we're entrusting an abusive entity with even more authority than they already hold, and we're also expected to rely solely on an abusive and corrupt institution for safety against those who won't abide by the laws like some of us will? I can't reconcile those positions without suspension of reason.

As to the other examples, the worst shoot I've seen recently was Daniel Shaver, and the bodycam footage is just infuriating (I don't count Walter Scott because that was simply murder IMO).
 
Pettifogger said:
Unfortunately, I do see the hypocrisy of people making Sterling into a cult hero (in my personal relationships, at least). I agree that criminal history does not render an action correct, nor does felony possession merit death. I'm not at all on board with the movement that thinks police have no responsibility to withdraw from dangerous situations and should respond with deadly force for any act of noncompliance ("comply or die"). That said, I don't think we're dealing with a particularly egregious situation with Sterling. He is a violent felon, and while I have no clue whether the cops knew that, it is certainly of some value in our hindsight analysis. Unlike many other examples, he actually did have a gun.

That belief aside, it's not necessary for my belief about the hypocrisy at play. If you believe there is a contagion of police abuse and corruption, it's incredibly pie in the sky to tell me that police should be the only gun owners. First, we're entrusting an abusive entity with even more authority than they already hold, and we're also expected to rely solely on an abusive and corrupt institution for safety against those who won't abide by the laws like some of us will? I can't reconcile those positions without suspension of reason.

As to the other examples, the worst shoot I've seen recently was Daniel Shaver, and the bodycam footage is just infuriating (I don't count Walter Scott because that was simply murder IMO).
Click to expand...
We’re probably wandering both off topic from Trump and into deeper philosophical waters so I’ll reply in the “another shooting in America” thread after I’ve woken up a bit with some morning caffeine!
 
verreauxi said:
I actually agree with Trump regarding Amazon—they burden the Postal service, put local retailers out of business, and don’t pay into local/state taxes.
Click to expand...

Don't forget they employee ex cons and drivers like the way uber do. It's not all proper logistic companies delivering your package.

Some of them are bloody lazy and inept too. Throwing packages over gates or placing them in the most convenient spot for them and not you.

A lot can be said about fedex, ups and the post office but at least they take care of your packages for the most part...
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Welcome

Join the Everton conversation today.
Fewer ads, full access, completely free.

→ Log in 🔑 Register
🛒 Visit Shop

Support Grand Old Team by checking out our latest Everton gear!
Back
Top