Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread
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Statistically speaking, the areas I identified, pertaining to the weapon(s) at issue, contribute little if anything to violent crime. Yet, they're brought out in the aftermath of tragedy despite their irrelevance.
And I'm perfectly content reinforcing the value of the individual.
The reason behind which was exhibited by the very post I was responding to.
It's simply amazing to see an environment where it isn't viewed as intellectually dishonest to simultaneously claim the NRA is inflating fears while plenty of leftists are widely discussing bans on firearms. "It's not paranoia if they're actually out to get you."
Charlie Sweet
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You just couldn't make this up!
Maybe we're clear in understanding each other, but I'll make my point again.
The statistics are fine and quite straightforward. Guns are very common and gun deaths are relatively uncommon. The statistics will always count these events as outliers. Anyone who understand statistics can make this conclusion pretty quickly. That's not to say these things are irrelevant.
On the flip side, guns are *very highly correlated* with gun deaths, and these statistics are very clear as well.
If you're into prevention of gun deaths, the process for it is pretty straightfoward
Everything in life is a give and take. I'm firmly in the prevention of gun deaths camp. And I'm ok with restrictions to the "personal freedoms" of owning an AR-15, open carry, etc. I hope you're ok with that too.
The statistics are fine and quite straightforward. Guns are very common and gun deaths are relatively uncommon. The statistics will always count these events as outliers. Anyone who understand statistics can make this conclusion pretty quickly. That's not to say these things are irrelevant.
On the flip side, guns are *very highly correlated* with gun deaths, and these statistics are very clear as well.
If you're into prevention of gun deaths, the process for it is pretty straightfoward
Everything in life is a give and take. I'm firmly in the prevention of gun deaths camp. And I'm ok with restrictions to the "personal freedoms" of owning an AR-15, open carry, etc. I hope you're ok with that too.
DanEFC92
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Charlie Sweet
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surely though even if just one single gun is sold to a minor (legally) it is horrific?
It's not that common that someone who commits a crime like this buys the weapon illegally, but instead operates the weapon illegally.
It's not an issue of efficient transactions, it's an ontological issue. These guns were made to kill people. These aren't purse-sized pistols that women carry because they're afraid of abusive ex-spouses. These aren't hunting rifles. These are military-grade rifles made to kill people with great ease.
I'm certainly ok with you having that opinion. I do think it's highly irrational to raise entirely irrelevant (to gun crime) factors like open carry.
I don't disagree, but awful, dangerous and extremely isolated things happen all of the time. I'm personally uninterested in legislating away a negligible levels of risk.
Yet, purse sized firearms are responsible for what, 98% of gun crime in the United States?
Define gun crime. Armed robbery? Suicide? Murder (most of which is between people who know each other)? All of these can be performed other ways, but I'm ok with restricting access to smaller guns as well, such as removing open carry rules, removing reciprocity of concealed carry, creating more gun-free zones.
Are you with me on this?
I thought we were talking mass murders and terrorism, but we can venture into domestic crimes and theft as well, if you desire.
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