Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

[Pettifogger]

Whichever way you cut it, a 14 year old being able to buy a firearm should be viewed as wrong in any decent society. Any forward movement has to start somewhere and taking simple steps like this could at least get some agreement from both sides that progression, no matter how small, is possible. From there you move on to other things. At the moment nothing significant happens anyway, so why fret over how it might be perceived?

I'm not concerned about perception, I'm giving you a hypothetical about why it probably isn't politically valuable for either side.

As for progression, it's true that I'm not on the side seeking to "progress" toward widespread gun control in the United States, so I have no real use for these incremental measures.

 

[LinekersLegs]

So much for the buck stops here.

Awful management and his department doesn't seem to have done much with the multiple warnings in the leadup either even if you accept they might have had limited tools at their disposal.

 

[Pettifogger]

So much for the buck stops here.

Awful management and his department doesn't seem to have done much with the multiple warnings in the leadup either even if you accept they might have had limited tools at their disposal.

I'm not inclined to blame police for the actions of criminals even when doing so has political advantage. But this guy's pattern of throwing others under the bus and refusing responsibility is inexplicable.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I'm not inclined to blame police for the actions of criminals even when doing so has political advantage. But this guy's pattern of throwing others under the bus and refusing responsibility is inexplicable.

I was initially sympathetic as believe both law enforcement and mental health professionals have worries about certain individuals that they legally can’t do anything about (and tbh in a lot of instances I’d have due process concerns if they did).

But as you say he seems happy to throw his own team under the bus, try to dodge any blame and showboat at the CNN debate.

 

[toffy]

I'm not inclined to blame police for the actions of criminals even when doing so has political advantage. But this guy's pattern of throwing others under the bus and refusing responsibility is inexplicable.

He might be the Democrats best hope of beating Trump then so he should consider running if he is no longer sheriff.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

He might be the Democrats best hope of beating Trump then so he should consider running if he is no longer sheriff.

 

[Prevenger17]

He might be the Democrats best hope of beating Trump then so he should consider running if he is no longer sheriff.

Yeah mate

 

[toffy]

Jeez tough crowd.

Pettifogger said the sheriff was throwing people under the bus and refusing responsibility which is similar to what Trump has done according to some. Therefore he'd be an ideal candidate to go up against Trump.

Maybe too subtle a joke or it was just too bad a joke

 

[Prevenger17]

Maybe too subtle a joke or it was just too bad a joke

The second one I think, but keep at it

 

[SerenityNigh]

FBI failed. Local law enforcement failed. Security feed was on a 20 minute delay. Resource officer failed. But let's blame the NRA.

When the NRA stops blocking a registration database, I'll listen.
When the NRA stops blocking restrictions to automatic and semi-automatic weapons, I'll listen.
When the NRA stops lobbying for open-carry, I'll listen.
When the NRA stops pushing full reciprocity of concealed-carry rights, which limits States' rights, I'll listen.
When the NRA stops buying elected officials, I'll listen.
When the NRA stops using its money as a bully pulpit, shaming businesses for not joining their agenda and allowing open carry.

Until then, the blood is on their hands. They are fully aware they are accomplices to all of this.

 

[SerenityNigh]

This is a surprisingly good opinion piece. Had to run it through the google url shortener as the proper url contains a naughty word that the forum automatically censors.

https://goo.gl/EPu7iW

Well worth reading

 

[Ruairi77]

When the NRA stops blocking a registration database, I'll listen.
When the NRA stops blocking restrictions to automatic and semi-automatic weapons, I'll listen.
When the NRA stops lobbying for open-carry, I'll listen.
When the NRA stops pushing full reciprocity of concealed-carry rights, which limits States' rights, I'll listen.
When the NRA stops buying elected officials, I'll listen.
When the NRA stops using its money as a bully pulpit, shaming businesses for not joining their agenda and allowing open carry.

Until then, the blood is on their hands. They are fully aware they are accomplices to all of this.

When the NRA stops blocking the CDCs from researching gun violence, I'll listen.

 

[peteblue]

The Guardian has some decent graphics that break down gun laws at state level
https://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/jan/15/gun-laws-united-states

No wonder gun legislation in the USA is a shambles........

 

[MrPerfectNot]

When the NRA stops blocking the CDCs from researching gun violence, I'll listen.

This is important - I'm not sure what will come out of state and federal legislative efforts - but there are two that I think need to happen as a first-step, and I think they could be bipartisan:
- Actual background checks for all firearms sales by licensed dealers or between private individuals who are not related, and
- Drop the Dickey amendment that is passed each year restricting research on the effects of gun violence - parties on both sides try to say they know "what causes what", and we don't have good research.

Just two things, is that too much to ask?

 

[LinekersLegs]

This is important - I'm not sure what will come out of state and federal legislative efforts - but there are two that I think need to happen as a first-step, and I think they could be bipartisan:
- Actual background checks for all firearms sales by licensed dealers or between private individuals who are not related, and
- Drop the Dickey amendment that is passed each year restricting research on the effects of gun violence - parties on both sides try to say they know "what causes what", and we don't have good research.

Just two things, is that too much to ask?

There is already drafted legislation on oulawing bump stocks and fixing Some of the gaps in the NICS database (the latter even the NRA claims to support although they want full reciprocity of concealed carry rights in exchange) that could pass this week if Republicans were interested.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/3...an-to-bring-background-check-bill-up-for-vote
A group of House Republicans is calling on House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) to bring to a vote a measure aimed at bolstering the accuracy of the nation's background check system for gun buyers. In a letter led by Rep. Leonard Lance (N.J.), the GOP lawmakers called on Ryan to allow "immediate consideration" of the Fix NICS Act, which would push federal and state agencies to comply with existing laws and more accurately report criminal records to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). "The Fix NICS Act, would greatly improve the sharing of mental health and criminal record information between state and local agencies and the federal background check database," the lawmakers, many of whom are members of the moderate Tuesday Group, wrote. "It has broad bipartisan support in both the House and Senate. Let us pass this legislation and take an important step toward making our Country safer from gun violence."

White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders says that President Trump supports the measure, though she emphasized that "discussions are ongoing" earlier this week. The bill was first proposed last year after it was revealed that the Air Force had failed to report to the FBI the criminal history of a man who opened fire on a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, killing 26 people.That shooter, a former member of the Air Force who faced court-martial over bad conduct, would have been barred from purchasing guns had the information been properly reported. The House passed the Fix NICS Act last year, but remains pending in the Senate Judiciary Committee.