Steve0
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Erm...there is nothing more obvious than right wing shills trying to shift the blame on to 'drugs'.
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Erm...there is nothing more obvious than right wing shills trying to shift the blame on to 'drugs'.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Who is doing this. Guns have no place in a modern society, but if the perpetrator had killed half a dozen people with a knife or a car then the same questions would still need to be asked. Don’t try to politicise something that is achingly abhorrent.....
artetas_biggest_fan
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Michael Moore is very close to the mark on this.
It's one big terrified cult. It's the same landscape that gave birth to the ku klux klan. There is an awful lot of good there, however, at its worst, it's still a God fearing, bible thumping, gun toting, racist society. Every mass shooting that occurs, response: "we must pray". Cult like. Imagine that response in the UK? No sane society would respond to a massacre like this. Trump is an atheist, but has had to put on an act otherwise he would never have been elected. Religion is everyone's business there as it is a theocracy, a judeo christian theocracy (no Muslim would stand a chance of election.."Obamas a Muslim, Obamas a Muslim"). In God we trust, one nation under God chant. Cult.
Until this terrified cult like society changes (and given this behaviour has been there from the get go since the worst cult of all, the pilgrims, it seems unlikely to change anytime soon) then these massacres will remain part of the fabric of the place. How on earth you get people out of this cult like state is the conundrum. Over 45% of people there think the Earth is 6000 years old, that we didn't evolve (Adam and Eve - made from Adams rib - are actual people), that Noah's Ark is real (Noah was just the 900 years old, and baby vegetarian dinosaurs were on the boat which is how they got all the species in). 45% is over 150 million people. You will not get sanity from this lot.
To echo Liam Neeson, I have always commended the English for their common sense. The Bill of Rights 1689 granted Protestants the right to bear arms in England. That's where it originates. It also condemned misdeeds of James II. That's 330 years ago. Havent ever heard the English bring that up. The conditions change (urbanised societies, modern policing etc.). Laws become archaic, unsuitable for the age. The English acted accordingly and updated gun legislation in 1920. There were 50 deaths by firearm in the UK in 2015, in the US there was over 33,000 deaths. More people are killed with guns in a day in the US (85) than the UK in a year. With the UK population at 65 million multiply 50 by 5 to get an equivalent total,
250 UK
33,000 US
You are well over 100 times more likely to die there by firearms than in the UK. Over 1.4 million people have died there by firearm since Liverpool's own John Lennon was shot dead in New York.
"Guns don't kill people, people do"....fine, "Heroin doesn't kill people, people do". Let's legalise every inanimate object. This parrot like learned response is indicative of a non thinking person. Again, cult like state. No critical thinking, no questioning, no common sense, backward. Kids taken to gun shows at 5 years old. They have no chance. Brainwashed, terrified, and this then is passed on. They can buy an AR15 assault weapon at 18...but they cannot drink until they are 21. Good Christian child that.
Until the ideology changes, the laws won't change.
It's one big terrified cult. It's the same landscape that gave birth to the ku klux klan. There is an awful lot of good there, however, at its worst, it's still a God fearing, bible thumping, gun toting, racist society. Every mass shooting that occurs, response: "we must pray". Cult like. Imagine that response in the UK? No sane society would respond to a massacre like this. Trump is an atheist, but has had to put on an act otherwise he would never have been elected. Religion is everyone's business there as it is a theocracy, a judeo christian theocracy (no Muslim would stand a chance of election.."Obamas a Muslim, Obamas a Muslim"). In God we trust, one nation under God chant. Cult.
Until this terrified cult like society changes (and given this behaviour has been there from the get go since the worst cult of all, the pilgrims, it seems unlikely to change anytime soon) then these massacres will remain part of the fabric of the place. How on earth you get people out of this cult like state is the conundrum. Over 45% of people there think the Earth is 6000 years old, that we didn't evolve (Adam and Eve - made from Adams rib - are actual people), that Noah's Ark is real (Noah was just the 900 years old, and baby vegetarian dinosaurs were on the boat which is how they got all the species in). 45% is over 150 million people. You will not get sanity from this lot.
To echo Liam Neeson, I have always commended the English for their common sense. The Bill of Rights 1689 granted Protestants the right to bear arms in England. That's where it originates. It also condemned misdeeds of James II. That's 330 years ago. Havent ever heard the English bring that up. The conditions change (urbanised societies, modern policing etc.). Laws become archaic, unsuitable for the age. The English acted accordingly and updated gun legislation in 1920. There were 50 deaths by firearm in the UK in 2015, in the US there was over 33,000 deaths. More people are killed with guns in a day in the US (85) than the UK in a year. With the UK population at 65 million multiply 50 by 5 to get an equivalent total,
250 UK
33,000 US
You are well over 100 times more likely to die there by firearms than in the UK. Over 1.4 million people have died there by firearm since Liverpool's own John Lennon was shot dead in New York.
"Guns don't kill people, people do"....fine, "Heroin doesn't kill people, people do". Let's legalise every inanimate object. This parrot like learned response is indicative of a non thinking person. Again, cult like state. No critical thinking, no questioning, no common sense, backward. Kids taken to gun shows at 5 years old. They have no chance. Brainwashed, terrified, and this then is passed on. They can buy an AR15 assault weapon at 18...but they cannot drink until they are 21. Good Christian child that.
Until the ideology changes, the laws won't change.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
What gets me are the coward politicians. Some Presidents love guns and would never ban them, fair enough, although wrong in my opinion, but what really gets me are those Presidents who have been against guns and have done sod all, lots of soothing words and absolutely no action. Cowards............the most powerful position in the land and done nothing....
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Could have sworn a few posts ago you were lecturing about not politicizing this issue lol
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
I’m not, I don’t care who the politicians are......
With the greatest respect Pete that is bollocks and you know it, you ruled out Republican politicans when you said "some Presidents love guns and would never ban them, fair enough".
If you want to criticise Obama why not come straight out with it rather than trolling? And then list which 60 senators (or 30 states if you prefer), he could have got to support an assault weapons ban during his presidency?
To start you off California is a pro-ban (and is one of the few with one at state level) and Texas is a hell no.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
I didn’t rule anybody out. I have no idea which Republican or Democrat Presidents were for or against guns. But now that you raise it, if as per your insinuation Democrats are against guns, why the hell have they not done anything about it. You mention Obama, who I happen to think was mostly a waste of space, and he had 8 years, 8 years as the most powerful man on the planet and he did what , apart from give out platitudes and wring his hands....if it’s political what did Clinton, Carter, Johnson, even JFK who I revered as a kid, actually do, how long does it take for someone to change the law. This is not political and I’m not trolling, but those who are against guns are, in my humble opinion, cowards, because they did nothing.......
Presidents are powerful but they are thankfully not kings and we do not have a parlimentary system - we work in a democracy which requires 60 Senate votes to pass legislation like this. Which is why I ask you to list the 30 states whose senators would support it without going home to angry voters.
Current support for a assault weapons ban is polling at 36%
http://news.gallup.com/poll/196658/support-assault-weapons-ban-record-low.aspx
Clinton did pass an assault weapon ban in 1994, it expired under Bush Jr.
canuckblue
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Then -- honest question here -- what in your opinion is the cause for the massive increase over the last 50 years? It's not like guns only came along in the last half-century.
I never saw this until today. This was an ad the NRA came up with after Vegas. To be clear 'they' are democrats/liberals. The only solace I take is that there are almost 2 to 1 thumbs downs to thumbs ups.
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