Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

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Are you saying they would have arrested a ISIS Sympathizer and so it would never have happened?

If that's the case that's not accurate. The guy who shot up the club in Florida was reported to and looked into by the FBI as was the male suspect in the San Bernadino case.

Both of those cases were claimed to be ISIS linked
Bloody hell. Really.

Gun control won't fix the problem either. We have drug control and thousands are dying of that.
 
So you don't believe in compromise? Or the democratic process.

That's the only conclusion I can come to based on that response.

It's that attitude why our political landscape is what it is today
I didn't say i didn't believe in it.

Just that if they banned assault rifles in 10 years they would also then they to ban handguns.

Do you seriously think the anti gun lobby would stop and say OK that's fine. Its a moral issue for them 1 gun is 1 too much.
 
Bloody hell. Really.

Gun control won't fix the problem either. We have drug control and thousands are dying of that.

Not really an answer but ok. Here we go again with you.

Did i mention gun control? I wasn't even arguing that. Were you just assuming that's were i would go next? Oh that's right liberals are out to get you.

Why do you always answer with petulance and disdain and then follow it up with conjecture and something that has nothing to do with the response given to you.
 
I didn't say i didn't believe in it.

Just that if they banned assault rifles in 10 years they would also then they to ban handguns.

Do you seriously think the anti gun lobby would stop and say OK that's fine. Its a moral issue for them 1 gun is 1 too much.
for it to be a compromise there has to be give and take. I don't like handguns, but if I can get rid of automatic and semiautomatic rifles I will cede any ground on handguns. That is compromise. The anti gun lobby will have to compromise along with the NRA.

I don't mean to imply this solves the problem, but it doesn't hurt.
 
I think there should be gun insurance, just like car insurance. You want to own 30 guns, fine, but you've got to pay 30 premiums. If you or anyone else causes any harm with the insured gun, the insurance pays out to the victim for medical costs or the victims family for funeral and other costs.
Add in background checks, limits on ammunition, limits on carrying across state borders, continued testing, bans on semi automatic weapons and you've got a start but first you have to vote for someone who is not funded by the NRA
Because if you vote for someone who takes funds from the NRA, you are complicit in the murder of theses kids.
 
I didn't say i didn't believe in it.

Just that if they banned assault rifles in 10 years they would also then they to ban handguns.

Do you seriously think the anti gun lobby would stop and say OK that's fine. Its a moral issue for them 1 gun is 1 too much.

Apples and oranges. I'm talking about what could get done. The anti gun lobby is going to exist as long as guns exist, just like the pro-life protesters will continue to be outside clinics as long as there are abortions, and PETA will continue to exist as long as I eat hamburgers.

Giving an inch doesn't mean however that getting rid of assault weapons will then mean the populace would be willing to get rid of handguns or rifles for deer hunting.

it's that sort of doomsday logic that stirs up the fear in the anti-gun crowd, and it's simply not realistic
 
Not really an answer but ok. Here we go again with you.

Did i mention gun control? I wasn't even arguing that. Were you just assuming that's were i would go next? Oh that's right liberals are out to get you.

Why do you always answer with petulance and disdain and then follow it up with conjecture and something that has nothing to do with the response given to you.
Read your post back. It applies to you not me.

I never accused you of anything just others were talking about gun control and I said I doubt it would have made a difference either.

I'm honestly not sure what can be done but law enforcement probably needs to be given more rights and resources for this specific type of crime.
 
I think there should be gun insurance, just like car insurance. You want to own 30 guns, fine, but you've got to pay 30 premiums. If you or anyone else causes any harm with the insured gun, the insurance pays out to the victim for medical costs or the victims family for funeral and other costs.
Add in background checks, limits on ammunition, limits on carrying across state borders, continued testing, bans on semi automatic weapons and you've got a start but first you have to vote for someone who is not funded by the NRA
Because if you vote for someone who takes funds from the NRA, you are complicit in the murder of theses kids.
That's not actually a bad idea.

In general. I still don't think it would make a difference to these crimes. He could have just bought it on the black market.
 
Read your post back. It applies to you not me.

I never accused you of anything just others were talking about gun control and I said I doubt it would have made a difference either.

I'm honestly not sure what can be done but law enforcement probably needs to be given more rights and resources for this specific type of crime.

What are you on about?

You said if he was an ISIS sympathizer it may not have happened.

I asked you are you saying if that was the case the FBI would have had him before he committed the crime and cited to examples were that is not clearly the case.

You never did answer it instead you become petulant and ramble on about gun control. Which i never even mentined

How about clear up the FBI and ISIS remark and lets go from there.
 
Apples and oranges. I'm talking about what could get done. The anti gun lobby is going to exist as long as guns exist, just like the pro-life protesters will continue to be outside clinics as long as there are abortions, and PETA will continue to exist as long as I eat hamburgers.

Giving an inch doesn't mean however that getting rid of assault weapons will then mean the populace would be willing to get rid of handguns or rifles for deer hunting.

it's that sort of doomsday logic that stirs up the fear in the anti-gun crowd, and it's simply not realistic
I never said politicians shouldn't give an inch.

I said the gun lobby are probably right that even if they compromise in 10 years they will want them to compromise further and in the end will only be happy with an outright ban.
 
That's not actually a bad idea.

In general. I still don't think it would make a difference to these crimes. He could have just bought it on the black market.
he probably would but at least theres a tiny deterrent.
Just like home insurance, an assessor would come around and check the safety of your guns. This may have prevented the sandy hook massacre, and countless others where kids take their parents guns.
 
You make that sound a bad thing.
You are making my point.

Its not a ban on assault rifles. Its a ban on guns the left want.

I neither own or have ever fired a gun but I don't call on cars or alchohol to be banned every time a drunk driver kills a kid.

Its politicization of a tragedy.
 
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